Belly, I do not deny that there is man made climate change, never have. So I don't know where you came to that conclution.

What I do know is that your party, along with its 'puppets' simply don't get it, so I will try in vien to explain it to you.

JOBS WILL BE LOST - FOREVER!

Why? Because our trading competitors don't have a carbon tax.

They already have a huge advantage with their low wages and poor working conditions so it is simply a mater of GAME-SET and soon to be MATCH!

Now it's not your fault as you lot don't create jobs, you simply try to save them at all costs.

The recent pay rise is a perfect example of not understanding the needs of all concerned.

Now as for OUG, I have not read a single post for as long as I can remember as I find it hard to deal with someone who talks in riddles.

At least he/she has refrained from the multiple links, at least to some extent.

Gentlemen, thanks in those posts after mine you show the white flag.
Shadow minister says Lexi thinks I should be ignored,SM do you stand by that?
I get no joy from targeting OUG, he has issues but self help works best.
Actually have read most of what he posts and a brain exists there not always on display.
Is it my right to say that,do I need to?
Unsure but as his insults got worse toward me and my party and further from any reality I said what I had been thinking for some time.
I will not rebut the targeting of Gillard , you know I want her gone, take Fitzgibbon/ Crean and a few others with her, Clean out the Mark Latham cupboard.
All this is true, yet THANKS ONLY to Tony Abbott we are a very real chance of winning the next election.
The man is a fraud, a confrontation on bicycle wheels looking to pick a fight any fight,first punch is to the head of honesty.
A kick in the guts follows.
Tony Abbott is still very much the mad monk.
SM start another thread, one about how useless you think our actions in global warming will be, REMEMBER ,keep it honest your thread fail to fire under the fire blanket of your miss use of titles and truth,I will come,armed only with honesty,a deadly weapon for you there.

Belly,

I believe that you believe what you say when you post your opinions. However, this does not make them the truth. When I post my opinions backed by links to polls, political commentary, you don't even try and rebut, only slag me off personally.

You are so set in your ways that I believe that you wouldn't recognise the truth if it bit you.

SM,

Can you please tell us what Tony Abbott stands for? And how is he going to do better than Labor on any of the problems that the country is currently facing? You see no matter who's elected - the problems still remain.

As for my being a Labor supporter? I don't have a choice in the matter at present. In a true show of big business support Mr Abbott wants to directly tax Australians. He does not want to put a cap on gasses, he does not want to reduce pollution and he doesn't want polluters to pay for anything. In fact he wants us to pay them. This in itself is a clear indication that the corporate sector is steering the political stances here. It's also evident of late, how any serious detail to the oddities of Mr Abbott's plans are ignored.

If you question the legitimacy of why I support Labor - you need to look at the reasons for why a supposedly intelligent man like yourself - does not? Unless of course you're driven by greed. Then say no more.

Shadow Minister you are at it again, the insult was needless bloke.
Think back find it in your heart to see I am a counter puncher never a king hit man.
In front of me, on the wall are the standard a 4 photo frames holding certificates and awards.
I am most proud but not big headed about those from my workmates and members.
No one, bosses to ever called me a lier.
You do often.
I could blast in to heated rebuttal, but not needed.
You in your blindness rebut your self, yes I do not post links,still no expert never had a formal lesson.
SM I would love to see the out comes of our views in ten years I learn from my mistakes you bury yours as a dog does a bone.
You,no joke, no taunt,need to understand your self confidence is truly miss placed your understanding nonexistent.
You would fit in well on Abbott's front bench, no talent no pride and no idea
Shadow Minister it is such as you who will help Labor be returned crying wolf is not policy making.
Australia is wakening I thank you for your help and inability to see reality.
But in time you will come to under stand this.
My words, unlike yours are balance, you never ever say a bad thing about your team.

Clean out the Mark Latham cupboard.
By throwing him out they got rid of the last vestige of labor.