I hope Poirot that tree is not a fig very smelly with all those fruit bats.
Please tell me of the system you favor.

What insight told you those who consume are guilty not those who produce green house gas.
Belly,
One of the problems is clearly on display here by none other than yourself. No-one's saying we should not have production at all. Why you see such a need to go for extreme examples is beyond me. I'm for moderation in all that we do. Moderation is the key to all solutions & I'm sure you agree on this one. This goes all the way from drinking & eating to sport & recreation. There is excess in everything we do, be it excess greed or excess kindness. I really believe that democracy is bringing out the worst in society because everyone feels entitled to have what they desire but at everyone else's expense. The lack of discipline is such a negative aspect in our society & so much so that we baulk at even the slightest suggestion of doing something for the common good. Even during floods & other emergencies people make a show of how great they are & expect & literally demand recognition by way of medals & public romp & pomp. Everything from wealth to poverty is excessive. The worst aspect of this is that we make heroes out of people who in actual fact are of the worst character & that's why so many of us constantly miss the wake up call.

I truly do not understand what you are trying to say Individual.
It may well be my fault.
But democracy is about as good as any other way,much better than any dictatorship.
You in that post,seem to be finding it hard to except other think differently, live differently than you.
Tough but a reality I would not have it any other way.
In life, politics to what we eat,or clothing we buy we compromise, rarely is perfection on sale.
Others looking in your front window may think you strange.
Still not sure but you do often say you want some form of paramilitary training for our youth , so just maybe it is needed for our generation, with a slant on excepting others right to be them selves.

Belly,
It's about understanding what wake up means. There are simply too many out there now who wouldn't recognise decency if it fell on them. Wake up & look around & see the world we have created. Mayhem on a global scale. Predictions of food shortages due to overpopulation. In 2011 we still have people so hooked on superstitious nonsense that they quite happily turn a blind eye to a whole country starving because of their idiotic religious superstition.
People also need to wake up to how much our governments are fleecing us. One fifth of my earnings goes to tax. Yet I pay for registrations, licenses, everywhere I go I pay to get in, Pay insane fuel taxes the list goes on. Are you condoning this especially as someone who fought for workers rights ? I gave thousands to the AWU but when I asked them to write just one letter on my behalf they turned away. Do you condone that we have to forfeit a defined super fund because the Govt chose to fold up our unit & without any choice handed us over to LG ? Do you condone that bureaucrats receive huge super even when they have been of no use to society their entire life ? Do you belly want this to continue ? Well, I don't & that's why I believe the sooner we rid ourselves of this Labor cancer the sooner things can be put back on track.

belly surely you must be able to see
how individuals can get concerned [when you say things like this]

QUOTE..""we must compromise
or be ruled..by the direct opposite of what we want.""

look at the word...com/promise*
likely developed of co-promise
ie somwething about which we can both compromise

see how labour ran the states...sold-off and made odious debt contracts with mates...did special deals
with solar/mining and services

raised revenue from fines fees levies
licences registrations...in short did most of the vile

the states mate they went bad big time
then the same mob moved into the lodge
with new taxes..more deals for mates

its messy mate
labour wont be running the states for a long while
and after the next election wil be luckey to hangon even with com/bet

if that isnt a wakeup call
i dont know what is

govt cant pretend to care
words wont do it anymore

look at yesterday...swan "released'..a report
but didnt release the detail or the modeling
in fact 'released' his press release at the same time juliar wasnt visiting the real trouble areas up north...[lol signing contracts like he ..opps sorry she..[i think]..

like she*..was bob hawke
more press oppertuinities today...lol
and still no real detail..!

its avoiding giving facts
while demanding tony gives his facts/fully

its a poor policy
it might have worked at the state level
but at fed level ..we see the boysclub scam..in its full acounting next time..we are called to vote.

sure you cant get fat from swallowing lies
would you like lies with that?

or spin
that puts the tail
back on the donkey

seeing the labrating/class*..for what it is
making good people..do the wrong things..

for the wrong [unexplained]..
un-justified

*real
reasons
labrat or librat faceless men/reasons
serving themselves..not the party...worse/..making your party serve them

Been out in the garden one under god.
Do you know I have had that shovel for 45 years.
It has had three new heads
And 4 new handles
Never let me down.
Mate your views are yours mine are mine I fear radicalism, minority's controlling us and am not moving.