lexi and Belly,
There is no proof of human induced climate change. If there were the Al Gores, Penny Wongs and Flannerys would be shouting it from the rooftops and all the sceptics would be silenced.

The whole thing was exposed as a fraud by 'climategate'and the sus figure and sourses the IPCC used. It simply is a religion to those still believing.

Hey, if you really want to reduce the CO2 that humans produce why not start birth control programmes like Iran introduced a few years ago. They lowered their birthrates from 6.5 per woman to less than 2. Now imagine how much less CO2 there would be with fewer people and how much heathier most would be. Less deforestation, more fish and more food.

When they come up with proof I will listen, in the meantime the more important issue is world population and food supply.

Question. How doe we get the major political parties to have a fair dinkum debate on immigration and its effects on Aus and our standard of living?

Dear suzieonline,

I don't think you have to worried about being lynched. I think in many ways the debate has moved past that. Most people have made their minds up one way or the other and the effort required to changed entrenched positions is deemed by many, certainly on the side of those who are wanting action on climate change, not to be worth the effort.

I meet a lot of people in my various roles who are just getting on with the job of thinking globally while acting locally. This includes many conservative types and those throughout various levels within government and corporations. When someone with a different position speaks up they are generally listened to respectfully but the willingness to engage and debate is no longer there. People just tend to move around them and get on with what they are doing to live more sustainably and reduce their carbon footprint.

Even if the government was to do nothing the movement at a community level is very strong and getting stronger. The sentiment seems to be if the two major parties want to sit there with their thumbs up their arses well fine, just don't get in our way. Sure there is deep disappointment with the way the parties are playing politics with an issue that people see as damaging their children's future but I think the Economist go it right. People have just moved around the 'Punch and Judy' show. The danger for Abbot is thinking that an anti-tax/cost-of-living that might be getting traction is signalling a move away from the community's desire to act on carbon pollution or even a growing disbelief in the veracity of the climate change argument. It is not.

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I along with many of those I know no longer bother to engage in debate with the other side so I won't be doing so with you. I will direct you to the source that finally settled the argument for me. It was sitting through over 20 hours of David Archer lectures from the University of Chicago.
http://geoflop.uchicago.edu/forecast/docs/lectures.html

I had done a fair amount of research before then but since that effort in 2009 I haven't mulled over much of the evidence since. I like many others just don't have the time. It would take someone like Archer to have a change of heart for me to go back to the grindstone.

So more than happy for you to have an opposing opinion. If you wanted to use the link I have provided well and good but perfectly understandable if you don't. Same with the conservative side of politics, but when they start hindering the capacity of the community to act through removing things like solar panel rebates then they should expect a backlash, especially when the community often put their own hands in deep in their pockets to do their bit.

That's when we will see a wake up call.

csteele
The community can provide the solar rebate all by themselves, without the need for government to do anything, can't they? But if they're not willing to put their money where their mouth is, it's not about global warming, the environment, or caring for grandchildren. It's about power, simple as that.

How are you reducing your carbon footprint, btw?

How are you reducing your carbon footprint, btw? ....more the question...How are you doing it?

And yes, to hell with the environment! We can all sustain our present stupidity, cause the human/carbon foot print on this planet, is a load of rubbish.....

"The community can provide the solar rebate all by themselves, without the need for government to do anything, can't they? But if they're not willing to put their money where their mouth is, it's not about global warming, the environment, or caring for grandchildren. It's about power, simple as that."

And there you go. Peter Hume has just illustrative concluded every persons attitude on the planet.....Thanks Peter....there's another 6 billion people that have the same thoughts.

Well Done.

LEAP

Peter Hume has just "illustratively" concluded every persons attitude on the planet.....Thanks Peter....there's another 6 billion people that have the same thoughts.

Sorry:) Typo

Your all a sad bunch this week:)

LEAP