The issue is not my considered view that we can only change things from government.
It is not the Greens intent to never be on those bench's we debate.
It is the fact most Australians, not the 99% claimed on another side here but most.
Are asking for better transport conditions not an end to live sheep exports.
why? why is it so often those who say others are using spin who are in fact the ones doing so?

I'm not aware of the ins and outs of this issue, though I find it interesting you're hammering Rudd on the issue, when Howard's had a decade to do something about it and hasn't.

Yeah howard had his time and so has labor and they still dont get it at state level.

Suprisingly the people do get it so we will have a nice little policy for you all in a fortnight on Animal Welfare, which is something else we have been working on.

Part done so it will be a ripper.
It takes guts to do what is right
So we say no to blind obedience to your master.

www.tapp.org.au

PALE
Would like to thank Rex for his sensible approach and Yabby also. While quitley staying in the background we would like to offer funds, contacts with Malaysian Government reps and Islamic leaders. Yabby will tell you we need three things Rex
A Government to cut red tape
B Someone who is prepaired to put some serious money into it.
C Let us bring in some Halal Slaughtermen to train others.
D Being the most! important- direct contacts with Aussie farmers in WA.
That is something only Yabby can perhaps help you with.
Here is a proposal to Government from Muslim leaders.
http://www.halakindmeats.com/submissions.html

I wont interupt you again Rex just wanted you to know people are willing to assist.
Thank you Yabby!

Reply to others.
No the answer is- This thread was about Kevins refusal to comment on the connection between AWB considering live exports was at the same time number two on the media next to AWB.
However I am personally delighted Rex and Yabby are talking.

[in reply to other poster]
Howard has! been taken to tasks by us and others. So has Steve Feilding.
Its not only an attack on just Kevin.

No I sincerly believe he had a right to inform the public as Shadow Minister for trade.

All ministers should disclose things to public [that are in the public eye especially.]

The average family knows stuff all about Landmark, they are too busy working and driving kids to school.

Labour were a huge! cause for Live Exports. The unions made it impossibly for us to even break even at plants. Vaile and Downer saw a good break with the trade dollar.
If you think I given Kevin a hard time look at our posts on Church leaders.
Tap. Interesting. Look foward to it.
Labour you largely created live animal exports so do the right thing and support alternatives to faze out live exports by year 2010.
That would also be a vote for jobs for Australia especially country towns.
Its called a policy.
And for goodness sake stop hiding behind Andrew

Yabby continues to claim that Australian farmers are spending money in the Middle East to prevent animal cruelty in those countries. Since Australian farmers do not spend money to prevent animals suffering in Australia, I request a "please explain" from Yabby.

Country gal responds to Yabby by claiming that animal welfare groups "nuts" should be setting up in the middle east to prevent animal cruelty.

Animal welfare groups are non-profit, voluntary organisations, with limited funding. They are not cashed up like our farmers who blatantly refuse to acknowledge their complicity in animal cruelty.

Country Gal reckons AW groups should pay for the heinous torture of our animals which is condoned, endorsed and perpetrated by Australian farmers and the ME barbarians?

Gawd, could the real "nuts" please stand up?

"Since Australian farmers do not spend money to prevent animals suffering in Australia,"

Frankly Dickie, thats a load of bollocks and shows me that as
a city slicker, you don't know the first thing about farming
or farmers! Do you know how many farmers have close to
gone broke, trying to buy feed to help their animals get
through this drought for instance?

If you spent just a little more time with farmers, you would
soon find out that a great deal of them actually do care a great
deal about the welfare of their animals.

If you want to know what farmers spend in the Middle East,
ask MLA what their animal welfare budget is each year and
how its spent. Thats all documented. Thats farmers money.
Every time we sell an animal, we pay a levy for exactly that
purpose.

AFAIK, the people who work for animal welfare groups
are paid wages in many cases. Have a look at what the
average livestock farmer earns, its about average wages.
Wages are a profit for labour. So people who work for
animal welfare groups and who are paid wages, are making
a profit for their labour. So are farmers, only they
often don't even get that, in a drought.