*If I had a dollar for the number of people who have bemoaned the fact they ever took up smoking, I would be a very rich nurse indeed.*

Ah, now you are getting closer, Suze. The answer is not to ban
smoking, but to make it easier for people to quit. Some people
have huge difficulties, not everyone is the same. People like
Renee Bittoun understand the complexity of it all, clearly your
average nurse does not.

Champix is making a big difference out there, its heading in the
right direction.

Fact is that society encouraged smokers, took their money and
got em hooked. Society can now do its share to get em unhooked,
without banning. It doesen't work.

Suze, you do carry on.

The medical association have nothing to gain by spinning tobacco you say. I believe they started the whole war on tobacco in an attempt to distract attention from the fact that they, including nurses, kill more people with their poor workmanship than all the drugs put together.

As for medical costs, in my social group, mostly old fa*ts, the heart attacks, & cancers are all occurring among the non smokers. It is a source of some annoyance that it is us pure non smokers who are suffering medical problems, not those foul smokers.

However let me assure you that from a consumers point of view we are all in total agreement. The most dangerous thing anyone can do has nothing to do with indulging in the pleasurable vices, but is to allow ones self to be admitted to hospital.

You may not have much wrong with you when you go in, but you will have when you come out, if in fact you ever do get out.

a few decades ago the insurance industry went into a panic
there was going to be an epidemic of asbestosis

well many of those sucking on their tubes are the fruit of that substance...but without autopcy..we will never know how come these people got their ailments

yes many asbestosis victims may be smokers
even so did smoking make them die
or did asbestosis make them sick

thing is no autosies..then its only opinion
NOT FACT..the highest cause of lung cancer is woodsmoke

the second highest cause of lung cancer
is micro particulate from diesal

third is from smoking
but the stidies that prove this are few and far between
why?..because its hard to tax woodsmoke

we know the power of the petrol lobby..
so no tax on their causing sickness

we seen how jameshardy moved os
abandoning those THEY MADE SICK..

but smokers hey..their fair game
hated despised by all

you see a smoker
and say he is sick BECAUSE he smokes
SO HOW THEM NON SMOKERS GET SICK
and dont say pasive smoking..think of ther other causes

yiou work in a smoggy city?
well you gonna be on them tubes one day
AND IT WONT BE BECAUSE OF tobacco..but ignorance

3 out of 4 people DONT GET CANCER
because their body self heals

any one who is related to a REAL death
from cancer shouldnt smoke

just as faties shouldnt scoff transfats

you are a nurse
not a docter

tell me nurse
jow many autopsies you attend?

WHAT REAL PROOF YOU GOT?

how many times you stood there ..while a docter said
smoking caused his death..and that was it...

a statistic ..via opinion was formed
docters kill more than they cure
especially if your poor or smoke..[even you carers hate us]

get it?

Suzeonline I would just like to say sorry, not for hasbeen but from me to you.
I could if I wished tell of a death in my family that bought questions.
But those Nurses? great Lady's great human beings.
They nursed us too mums visitors all of us, I trust them.
Now tobacco is getting some protection here,I always knew it would, but saying prove it kills?
A lobbyist's dream here that fact known and proven in debate?
Government, IF LOBBY CASH is not to get in the way, will further reduce users.
How many of us knew a dead or dieing smoker who told us if only they had never smoked?
More tax seems the way but just remember we all complain about governments not doing things we think they should.
Here some say they should do nothing .

its not ok
to be racist or slag off at imagrants or homosexuals
but smokers no worries..

generate any accusation
and the mud sticks ..to those vile smokers

they ..steal your health funding
they..dont pay their way..etc etc

they fill hospital-beds..
thats why/you cant get..your new breast-implants

they.. can say ..these deaths are smoking/RELATED
but there is no proof..

WE DONT AUTOPSY DEAD SMOKERS

so the docters CAN ..AND DO...write the case closed
'death by smoking'

well i dont know ...any smokers ..in hospital/sick..!
i have experienced ..the oppression of smokers

but who cares
its only a smoker

the self agrandised ..labor spokesman says quote

''..tobacco is getting some protection here,
I always knew it would,''

so he admits to raising the issue
as a flame*

but lets egsamin the racist/slur further

quote..'A lobbyist's dream here''

what ..re the kills thing?

"that fact known..and proven in debate?"

we never get a balanced debate/mate

its all based on fear spin and hate
you havnt put up... a single link..!
because thats how the trick is played

people allready bought into..the adverts pr/spin...
ie drank the coolaid

'IF LOBBY CASH ...is not to get in the way,'
[lol]

[hasnt 'got 'in_the_way"..so far...lol]
proving your deluding..!..again...!

look for ever more NEW TAXES..
ON THE REST OF THE other MUGGINS

by ever more perverse adverts
giving spin..not hard-science fact

[ie no autospsies
..means its all based ..on opinion]

"How many of us..knew a dead or dieing smoker'

good point..i havnt met any..!

be honest the rest of you..
how many you know?..personally..!

think..why is it so?

"who told us if only they had never smoked?'

yea i saw yule brenner ..on tv too
was that ..who this unnamed 'smoker' was?

"More tax seems the way"
a typical labor mindest...lol
the fruit falls not far from the tree

tell your labrat mates
GET YOUR HANDS OUT OF MY MONEY/life..!

get the reds out..
from under your bed

and stop sipping the stuff ..when your posting
it rots not only the brain and ya liver..but feeds hate/mate

BUT YOU ARE RIGHT MATE

its a lobbiests dream
to wit the anti smoking lobby
cleaning up from subsised ..nicteen gum/patches[ie big pharma]

or by selling..anti smoking adverts..
to the biased media loving the advert cash

[we even have them ..on top of this page]

yes mate
a lobbiest dream,,!*
WE AGREE FOR ONCE..!

your so clever
in not naming WHICH LOBBY..!
is dreaming up this nightmare..!

the same fear/hate..
advert pr spin merchants..."lobby" cleaning up
on this tax cake...

the ones who dont care ..what they advertuise
as long as the lies/spin is believed
and they get money..

heck mate ban it

at least
THEN..the ANTI SMOKING RACIST/lobby ..goes broke
HA HA HA..ban it mate

that would be great
ban it mate

if you got the guts
like to send that sort broke
then they will get onto the next product

BOOZE
you loose