The moslem send their daughters back to where they come from to marry, then migrate their husband back here. So where's the M C in that.
What they are doing is setting up an islamic state within AU. There is no intergration.
I say it is a mistake to immigrate these people, can only cause conflict in time to come, within our own country.

579.

'Migrate' and 'immigrate' are intransitive verbs: one migrates to or from somewhere, one does not 'migrate' anything or anyone and people's agency or volition deserve that much respect.

Pericles,

As you say, ' ... there have always been, and always will be, people who fear difference.'

But there do seem to be almost as many people who fear similarity or equality, who cannot stomach the notion that other people should have similar rights to themselves, and who are completely comfortable with the notion of innate hierarchies - with themselves at the apex, of course.

Then again, many people believe so firmly in their inferiority and that IT thereby entitles them to a greater share of the cake. I'm sure that Individual would understand this point: I've heard at least one Aboriginal mother declaim: 'White people know we're inferior, so they know we can't look after our kids like they can', as a justification ofr palming their kids off onto other women.

Actually, I am coming to believe that many, many people cannot grasp the concept of human equality at all, with its implications of specific idiosyncrasies in other people as well as themselves, and of similar entitlements and obligations of other people as well as themselves - to grasp simultaneously the notions of equality and difference. 'What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander' is not an easy principle to understand, for many people.

Joe

Sadly, I may be reaching the same conclusion Joe.

>>Actually, I am coming to believe that many, many people cannot grasp the concept of human equality at all<<

Listening to some folk, it is almost as if they regard the fact that they were born white in Australia as something of their own devising, rather than just another outcome of the crazy lottery of life.

Guy Rundle has a few words to say on the topic in today's Crikey.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/02/16/rundle-the-multiculti-waters-run-deep-and-warm/

It's a long piece - 2,000 words or so, but here are a couple of snippets.

"The word [multiculturalism] has become so overlaid with multiple meanings as to have none at all. No one who criticises it ever seeks to define it, for quite deliberate reasons."

Ain't that the truth. He goes on to say...

"Once upon a time, the myth goes, immigration in the US, Australia and elsewhere, was conducted in perfect harmony. People came in, they left their cultures at the entry port, and a few funny foods aside, they took up the values and beliefs of the host country. Then, in the 1960s and '70s, bad cultural relativist social scientists designed policies whereby people could keep their own beliefs and cultures when they came, and we would regard all cultures as equivalent. The result, the myth goes, has been chaos, division, hatred, ghettos, etc, etc.

Nothing of this myth is true. The huge US immigration intake from 1865-1924, produced whole communities entirely separate by language, culture, etc, and thoroughly ghettoised. Until the 1940s, most big US cities could support a daily paper in Yiddish, Polish, German, etc... Until the postwar period, the great division in Australia was between Protestants and Catholics (or Romans, as my grandmother referred to them) -- a division that produced riots, sectarian murder, social movements, political split, etc. This division only became sealed over when fresh divisions became possible as "new Australians" flooded in during the '50s."

There's more. It's a good read. Worth registering for.

Good golly miss molly.. Pericles is on my page :)

At last Perilous you have gravitatee to common sense for a change.

//My view is that we should summarily ditch the term "multiculturalism", along with all its PC baggage//

and.. dare I say it..that is about 99.9% of my position.

I use the illustrations of Trad and Polygamy simple to show how the 'social representatives' of segmented groups act when they don't 'get' that we are all equal but even so.. OUR law rules. (OUR Law=the one in existence when they applied to migrate)

People should damn well realize that when you slap your host culture with a smelly rotten cultural/religious trout...they won't be thrilled with the odour.

So it's quite legitimate to mention those examples because it is 'they' which define our opposition to MC.

I much prefer YOUR approach and I've only been advocating it for hmmmm errr 5 yrs and 5million posts!

"Equality" has many dimensions.

-Political
-Human worth
-Social
-Religious
-Cultural

Unfortunately, when some of your religious or political beliefs are in direct conflict with the host country... you either shape up...or BE SHIPPED OUT (as far as I'm concerned)

If dills like Trad and ilk DIDN'T try this raw prawn stunt.. or his co-religionists trampling on 5000 objections to a prayer hall.. I doubt that any of us would be saying "boo".

But..they did..and thus we do.

*boo*

If such people use the argument "We are a democracy and everyone is entitled to change the law" ok..fine.. but watch for a very big "BOO" if they try that in order to establish their own 'sectarian' interests politically. PS.. the same would apply for "Protestant" or.."Catholic" attempts at the same. Anyone for Chaplains in schools? :)

JuliaGillardhasFailed it has been my bad luck to have followed you around here today.
Can I ask that you tone the insults down a bit?
See we will be different but why boots and all treatment you are handing out?
I am no socialist lefty or anything else you charge us with.
Your bigotry is not helping here.
Loudmouth Pericles may I ask this.
If I went to live in Saudi Arabia could I walk the streets in thongs and shorts because it is my national dress.
Could I drink in the park because I can do it here.
Can you see me coming home if I published a story saying Christians would take over in 50 years?
In fact for every charge you lay against us consider if the side you talk for would defend me for being different than them.
Remember posters do not except PC saying you can not say what you want.
Remember too if we ever get a vote it will be stunning just how big the vote will be, clearly stating this part of MC is never going to work.

Pericles,

I am honoured by your praise. But I really did mean everyone, left and right, finding it difficult to understand the concept of human equality '.... with its implications of specific idiosyncrasies in other people as well as themselves, and of similar entitlements and obligations of other people as well as themselves.'

In many ways, democracy sometimes is the process of discovering, the hard way, that one is neither better than nor worse than anybody else, that what one demands, so can others, that one cannot impose one's beliefs on others any more than they can theirs on us, and what obligations and demands one puts on others can be applied to oneself. At least, it ought to be, where Karl Popper's 'negative freedom' meets political equality.

Joe