Dear Al,

Dare I ask what form this restoration of "Honour" has taken? I'm interested to learn of the (supposed) substance of this notion.

(Btw - there is no such thing as an "average" Poirot)

Here's a couple more reasons, Boaz, why you might like to re-think this.

>>The only issue is 'Do the headlines/soundbites' accurately reflect the tone and direction of the volume from which they came.<<

Think like Arjay for a moment.

>>He's openly stated (himself you duffer) that he is aiming for and working towards Global Government (Governance).<<

Is it really likely that someone intent on creating a World Government would make such an open declaration of intent?

Is it not far more likely that he is merely the front man? And that there is someone even more powerful, sinister and devious pulling the strings?

Or is it not even far, far likelier perhaps, that there is no puppet-master, that he has no such intention at all, and that you are simply grabbing random quotes?

Balance of probabilities?

The other rather nasty bluebottle in your otherwise fragrant unguent is the argument that you feel must carry the day for both Soros and Fabianism

"Inevitability of gradualism".

Boaz, there is absolutely nothing inevitable about gradualism, per se.

It is just... gradual, that's all.

There's a very busy spider outside, who is building a web that, if he continues to work hard, will gradually encompass the entire globe. There is, however, no inevitability about his achieving this, no matter how long or how hard he tries.

Even if he passes on the trade to his offspring, and they continue to work towards "Global Covernance", as they call it in their quiet arachnoid moments, there is still very little chance that they will achieve their goal before the heat-death of the sun.

>>I cannot for the life of me fathom how anyone... who has done a bit of reading of history and conflict between nation states etc....can NOT see that all of it boils down to such people as Soros<<

That's because you are caught up in all the excitement, Boaz, and are not employing the little grey cells (sorry, Poirot). You have latched onto a clever communicator, who can manipulate his audience like a politically-motivated John Edwards.

And who, I daresay, is equally sincere.

Dear Al,
As an exercise in sorting the wood from the trees, 50 years ago my grandmother told me to vote liberal as labor had no imagination. My father, a red hot socialist had always told us to vote labor as liberal was the enemy of the working class. I asked dad why his mother told me to vote liberal and this was his answer " Son your grandmother is a woman and all women love Bob Menzies because he introduced child endowment". Thirty years ago I was born again and I started going to church and they taught a lot on imagination and I soon realized that I had none. 30 years later having surrendered my will to THE WORD OF GOD, Jesus I realized that I now have a very fertile imagination and as Jesus came to save our soul, people who chose to reject Gods Word and accept the twisted word have trouble with vision and can't see the wood for the trees. 2 weeks ago the penny dropped and I now know why my grandmother told me to vote liberal and it was not because she was a woman as she had very keen vision. Socialists are great on words it is the loving and doing that they have a problem with. God is LOVE. Jesus said to Simon Peter in Peters lowest hour " Do you love me", and Peter answered "Yes, Lord; you know that I love you". Then He said "Feed my lambs". Faith is the substance of things hoped for. Socialists hope is in the words of Karl Marx not the words of Jesus.

Hi_Richie...well said mate..*amen*.

Dear POIROT -the 'form' that rally took was speeches and personalities which sought to cut through the us/them political rhetoric of Repub/Dem and race and it was the culmination of a long period of Becks build up which included a strong focus on the inclusion of and highlighting of African American participation in the founding of the nation. Unfortunately the socialist elements have tried to create a HUGE gulf of division between black and white and then exploit it. (see Jed Brandt 'the bald communist' who vehemently states "We must increase the alientation between the working classes and the rich" kind of tone)
This is why beck had a major contribution on the day from MLK's niece.

Pericles: *Think like Arjay?* :) perish the thought.

//Is it really likely that someone intent on creating a World Government would make such an open declaration of intent?//

If they truly believed it to be a noble goal...yes of course.

Re "thinking like Arjay".. there is a vital difference between my approach and his. I STOP at what you and I can both see to be true.
I STOP at Soros...and don't claim further.

IF....I thought like Arjay and that mob, I'd be going into the following:

Illuminati
Rothschilds
Jewish comspiracy
Rockafella's

etc... but you'll find such themes noticable by their absense from pretty much everything I say. While there MAY be some connection...and I do suspect there is...I can't prove it's reality or nature.

I'll give you a small example of what 'could' form the basis for some Arjay-like speculation.

Remember my rant against Gore, Strong and company? I think I pointed out that there is a

Rothschild/Strong/Climate Exchange/Rockafella connection as follows:

A man on the board of China Petroleum's carbon exchange is Franco Bernabi.
-Jewish
-VP of Rothschilds Europe
-Banker

Strong is also there (China) and connected to the Rockafella's

But while they are 'facts' it would be more than one can prove to state categorically they are part of a world wide conspiracy to form one world (Jewish controlled) Government, which is usually how the 'theories' go.

Ok, Boaz, let's chase that rabbit down a hole for a while.

>>If they truly believed [World Government] to be a noble goal...yes of course<<

When someone talks about a "noble goal", they tend to talk about it all the time, wouldn't you agree?

Let's take a very current example, Aung San Suu Kyi.

Here's a lady who believes that introducing democracy to Burma is a "noble goal". As a result of this belief, she has been under house arrest for fifteen of the past twenty-one years.

When the Burmese government encouraged her to leave the country to join her exiled husband, she refused, believing - probably correctly - that she would not be allowed back. As a result, when her husband died in 1999, she had not seen him for four years.

Throughout all this, she did not stop speaking out in support of democracy for her country.

That's how a "noble goal" manifests itself, Boaz. In a consistent, outspoken, committed and unambiguous manner, where the cause and its proponent are inseparable.

Not in the devious third-party gathering-together of carefully-selected sound-bites.

You are being led by the nose down a narrow, slippery path by a clever, unscrupulous manipulator, Boaz. When you finally wake up to yourself, you will be distinctly embarrassed by your infatuation with Glenn Beck.

And you can't weasel your way out of being the clone-of-Arjay, either.

>>Re "thinking like Arjay".. there is a vital difference between my approach and his. I STOP at what you and I can both see to be true.<<

A vital difference, Boaz?

Here's your assessment, unedited, of Soros' agenda:

>>...he is building a huge network of foundations aimed at undermining national sovereignty(s) and forging a one world Government. "Global Government" He is undermining the independance and sovereignty of the United States. Thus he is a national security threat.<<

Yet you haven't presented a shred of evidence of this actually happening. You have simply presented an opinion - someone else's, actually - of what Soros might be up to.

So, wear the badge with pride. You have earned it.

I suppose I can see where you're coming from Pericles.. re my 'assertion' but no 'evidence' situation.

The problem is....there is so much!

I could refer you to a specific video showing Soros saying as much as I've claimed, except that 'he' puts it differently. He couches the undermining of regimes in terms of 'saving' countries.

The last thing I want to do is overwhelm to the point of "AAah.. this is useless and time consuming" fellow posters.

The primary assertion is reasonably easy to track down ..Soros claim to feel like a god and how reality and fantasy increasingly coincided.

Finding him at the string pulling end of a vast network of 'foundations' is also not that hard.. and to see what those networks are devoted to is pretty obvious.

Tides
Open Society Institute
Media Matters
and a host of others.

You only need look then at the people Soros has appointed to run them.... It is indeed there before our eyes.

One important point too..Soros was educated....guess where ? :) The Fabian London School of Economics. Hmmmm

These are networks Soros donates to.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1237

Please don't ask me to 'prove' this stuff.. I maintain however that any man with 'god' delusions is one we need to be concerned about, don't you?