Who said this ?

"I have always harboured an exaggerated view of my self-importance,-To put it bluntly, I fancied myself as some kind of god or an economic reformer like Keynes, or, even better, like Einstein. My sense of reality was strong enough to make me realise that these expectations were excessive, and I kept them hidden as a guilty secret. This was a source of considerable unhappiness through much of my adult life. As I made my way in the world, reality came close enough to my fantasy to allow me to admit my secret, at least to myself. Needless to say, I feel much happier as a result.”

1/ Who is he?

2/ If such a man could (and did) break the Bank of England....would you worry about his plans for you ?

3/ If such a man could orchestrate the Asian financial meltdown, does he have too much power? (this is alledged by former PM Mahathir)

4/ Should he be stopped?

5/ If yes, How and by whom?

mr wrath-child..
rot-child
got-hide?

gee dont give me a clue?

was he..the one that said...allow me to contol the money
and i dont care who runs the world?

oops more to the question
should he be stopped?

well do you think..govt should go beg him for its OWN money?
then make the poor..pay ever more tax..to pay off the ursury..[intrest]..on it

he holds a franchise..on fiat/money
fiat means by decree..[its only money because govt says so]

but govt is forbidden to print it
[jfk...was the last to try that]..and we know what happend to him
[read pres-order 11,110]

while were at it read..the creature from jeckle island..
that explains the scam

then dumbing down americas education system
and then the secret bankers manuel

heck people dont care about all this
[part of the scam was to dumb down the idiots[fools..sorry demon/autocratic voters..voting between the left or right hand[two party farce]..serving the gods'saints'..like murderrock..and packer

run by the two pasrty farce
look they own it all
govt is afraid...it acting collectivly..premptivly..is all that can save us..[each then gets back control of their OWN federal reserves[and the mint...ps the gold/silver,....mate thats gone]..audit the fed?

its too late mate
credit where credit is due
they are too clever..by half...

their lawyers..run the law system..run the police system..run the prison/securities/banking systems..and run govt...[put our heads betwen our knees..and kiss our..vocalising orifices.. goodbye

they got the dirt on everyone
[thats how you get party nomination]

live time moni-tory-ing..plus as much..'credit'..as it takes
play the game..or we sell off your money system..hyper inflate..or deflate..at whim..because we own it all

The wrongs should be stop by US, all of us that knows better and wants our planet to heal. We are supposed to be working together, not against each other.

George Soros? how is he god? more like the root of all evil :P.. Power Money Control= No freedom for us.

Dr Mahathir didn't exactly do a great job unfortunately. Do you know what happened to his right hand man? So much of corruption it is unbelievable. His vision 2020? yea right? I grew up in that country and watched every nonsense going down the drain with all the politicians BS.. unbelievable the things they have been accused of. Murder, sodomy, sex, money scandals, what a load of crap.

Do you actually look up to these people?

Vengeance is mine says the Lord. The fight we fight is not against flesh and blood and the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but are mighty in God. Pray without ceasing. Remind the devil of his position and his future, he has no power only deception. Light conquers darkness always.

So, Al are ya gonna tell us who it is....Soros, Peter Costello....Bertie Wooster, perhaps?

The Man who would be....GOD. OH the irony. Jesus! now where is that book. Sorry. Having a hard time researching. I will find it.

BLUE

Hi there Poirot mate :)

I don't have to tell you 'who' it is.. u can google parts of the quote I'm sure. Was it not you who suggested I should take a more circumspect approach to discussion ? ..well.. ya learned me good!

Here is a bit from the Old Testament which rather describes that attitude of his.

"I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit on the mount of congregation on the heights of Zaphon; I will ascend to the tops of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High."

Rather pertinent don't you think ? You can google that quote if you wish to know where it comes from.

I can tell you one thing... the world will not be the same after this week and I anticipate some very challenging events.

According to an executive from the organization of the man concerned, in a meeting with an executive of a Media organization they are trying to silence...and in response to the answer to the question "Why? are you doing this? (exposing this man- The answer being "because you are trying to form a global government" said:

"That ship has already sailed" indicating a very high degree of confidence in their position.

We will see if they still have such confidence at the end of this week :)

To hell with being circumspect.
Here are parts 2 and 3 as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y4Na8mIU9I&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQUIvtUhJew

Proxy, thanks for the link.. but what a waste of time. Didn't you already know all that without having to watch it? Do you need an american telling you his opinion?

how does someone even come up with a thread like this... worth discussing for, ummmm what exactly. That we live now? here?

how about what we can do do change it?

Al
While you are busy hunting down all the Socialists (much of it only perception) you are letting all the other extremists in through the back door.

I will start taking you more seriously when you display an even-handed outrage over the self-serving agenda of the far Right.

Dear Jinny,
Go to the real power source and get plugged in. Death can't defeat death for a kingdom divided shall fall. Man is not the enemy for we are all in the boat together. All have sinned (miss the mark) and fallen short of God's best (glory). Without a change of heart we will never see God's Kingdom. You must be born again to become a citizen. Seek yea first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. Happy hunting, see if you can hit the target.
Richie 10

SO Richie, I have circumnavigated the entire human history of all, and still, I have found No such god?

Why do I feel this?

BLU

Blu, because you have been looking for Love in all the wrong places.

Dear Pelly

I have the same *rage* for the BANK robber barrons and 'their' agenda.

I have the same *rage* for the Electricity and Utility companies which are now privatized for the sake of short term CASH which was then spent to prop up electoral fortunes by LEFT (who privatized the CBA?) and RIGHT

I am focusing on this bloke because his network is so vast, his pockets so deep and unless stopped..he WILL (if not already) regard this world, which includes Australia as his personal fiefdom, where 'he' is it's conscience. (sound like 'Big Brother' just a tad?)

I strongly urge you to take the evidence itself more seriously. Proxy's links are good and as Beck says "DON'T BELIEVE ME... CHECK IT YOURSELF" and I invite you to do so.

Jinny.. you wonder why such a thread is raised here in Australia?

Mate....OPEN YOUR EYES... please!

Look at THIS..and then tell me "Al...you were completely wrong about how Multiculturalism would turn out" (if you can keep a straight face)

http://lawlibrary.rutgers.edu/courts/appellate/a6107-08.opn.html
That's the APPEAL document which overturned the original progressive judge's view that the man who raped his wife did not commit a criminal act!
Here.
http://volokh.com/2010/07/23/cultural-defense-accepted-as-to-nonconsensual-sex-in-new-jersey-trial-court-rejected-on-appeal/

Read it and weep! That a western Judge could EVER come up with such a ruling is clear and present evidence (irrefutable) that MC is a pernicious disease of the most evil and seditious kind.

PELLY..I don't believe 'conservative people' have an evil agenda... do you consider morally and spiritually and socially conservative poeple as the 'Right' or.. do you consider the Greed of corporations and their upper management types to be the 'Right' ? Once I know what you mean, we can connect better.

HERE'S A THOUGHT :)

My target would be the ELECTRICITY scumbags and robbers.

What do organizations respond to ?

-"appeals for common sense?" (nope)
-"Friendly overtures and wise words?" (nope)

They DO however respond to 'brute force'.

ELECTRICITY COOPERATIVE. Why don't we the people get together in a 'buying cooperative' and register ourselves and account numbers in a 'bloc' which can then threaten to 'en masse' leave one supplier and goto a 'better deal' supplier?

A 1000 electricity accounts suddenly 'gone' from TRU or ORIGIN might make the CEO think twice?

That would be (based on my own elec bill for the past 2 quarters)

$600,000/qtr

Imagine if 5000 people signed up ? We can keep switching until they bleed to (tempted to use expletive here) financial DEATH for all I care.

Hmmmm 5000 x $600 = $3,000,000

If 'god' get's his way you would have buckley's hope of doing that.

It is somewhat interesting when an atheist like Soros compares his actions with that of a god. One immediately wonders what that might entail.

Fortunately, he is kind enough to tell us.

"I fancied myself as some kind of god or an economic reformer like Keynes, or, even better, like Einstein."

Clearly he considers that economic reformers and brilliant physicists exhibit god-like qualities. So, no danger there to anyone, obviously, since both categories are entirely populated by human beings, as opposed to anything having supernatural powers.

So, to answer your original questions, Boaz:

1/ Who is he?

Soros? He's just this guy, you know...

2/ If such a man could (and did) break the Bank of England....would you worry about his plans for you ?

Fortunately he can't, and didn't. He placed a large bet against sterling and won. You could have done the same thing, don't forget.

The Bank, you will notice, remains unbroken to this day.

In any event, I doubt very much that he has any plans for me. He's just this guy, you know...

3/ If such a man could orchestrate the Asian financial meltdown, does he have too much power? (this is alledged by former PM Mahathir)

Fortunately, he couldn't, and didn't, despite what Dr Mahathir might have wanted you to believe back then. The good doctor did, of course, withdraw his remarks, once he realized that no-one in their right mind believed a word that he was saying.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200612/s1812946.htm

But you are never very strong on facts, are you Boaz.

4/ Should he be stopped?

Stopped doing what? Be specific, for a change.

5/ If yes, How and by whom?

Until you can say what you want him to stop doing, you can't say how it would happen. And if you can't say how, you won't be able to identify a "whom".

So you can rest easy in your bed, Boaz, the bogeyman is not coming to get you.

And now that it is all out in the open, Boaz, can you provide references to this statement of yours:

>>According to an executive from the organization of the man concerned, in a meeting with an executive of a Media organization they are trying to silence...and in response to the answer to the question "Why? are you doing this? (exposing this man- The answer being "because you are trying to form a global government" said: "That ship has already sailed" indicating a very high degree of confidence in their position.<<

Context being everything.

And accuracy, of course. Don't forget accuracy.

how do we fix it..?
bring back..HONEST MONEY..[coin]..and buy back the fed..with 12 coins

[one for each of the banks]..total=44.4 billion

things have gone strangly distorted...we have the sovereigns-head..on coin..[i think it was to assure the quality of the coin's content...
in sovereign*..assured weights..and quality...of copper..silver..or gold

[without knowing the real answers...how can be achieve a fair solution..in the ongoing..[upcomming?]..money crisis?

till honest*values..are restored*...to the proper*authority..
how can we get a fair*solution..to this..now global disaster...[maybe]..unfolding as we speak..

lets ask if the constitution..has any answer

chapter 5/115..says...'STATES..shall not coin money
NOR make anything...but gold/silver coin*..a legal tender..in payment of debts'

but..what about..copper[the poor-mans gold]
we lost copper-coins..because they contained..[cost]..4 cents in copper..to make..thus we got rounding-up...and rounding.down...but is it theft...both ways?

see how these things..*creep up ..and..
in doing so..cause huge-problems?

it is no secret..govt..needs..TO*lend..ITS own money..from bankers
[and we know..what bankers did..with this]

but here..is the cure..
.restore..legal_tender's..TRUE_*values

[bank-bills true value..is arround..7 cents
[the true-cost..of printing..and manufacture]

but the true value..of a one cent=5 cents..
so lets*..let one cent=one dollar

then do the math...and return back to..the only constitutionally legal tender..we got..[for paying off personal-debt]

let the banks..still do..as the banks do
but..let the people pay-off..THEIR*debt..in coin..[at true-values]

[at the rate of..one cent...equals one dollar]..two cents.equals 2 dollars...50 cent=50$..and 2dollar coin-200$...

[all wage and govt services..payed-out..get payed..in coin]

and credit..gets repaid in credit
and fiat-bills..in bank bills

what ya think?

nickle..isnt*silver*..
even the gold*coin..isnt gold
but a bank-note..is paper[ok plastic]
...and cyber credit..is not..a solid gold..promise..only ursurous-debt

lets discuss does.. one cent=one $100..[fiat dollars]..?
recall when..ussr went bust..the*people..got shares

well..now the capitalists..are going nuts...
lets get our pay...in coin...ursury free..!

who owns the mint
indeed who tells the mint to print..coin?

even who issues bank-bills?
and who creates credit?

Al
What do you mean by Conservative? Being far right does not mean Conservative necessarily unless that is the norm. A Communist can be a Conservative if that is the status quo.

But I get your point. Your agenda appears (correct me if I am wrong) to ignore the positive aspects of any program that appears on the face of it, to be 'socialist' when it serves a collective good and paid for by the collective. For example universal health care, education etal.

As you mentioned the problem is really with GREED but unfortunately many people see those on minimum income asking for higher wages as Greed while ignoring real greed at the top end.

Often it is about keeping up with the cost of living that drives a plea for higher wages. That is not the same as expecting something for nothing as often low paid workers like cleaners work very hard with unreasonable targets to meet on shift - many not being paid overtime.

Greed means the workers don't get paid fairly and the clients get shoddy value for money while the emphasis is skewed towards higher profits at any cost. We are losing sight of what can simply be described as a diminishing sense of 'honour' in business dealings which comes down to old fashioned values of courtesy and respect.

Does any body else find it funny that one power crazy control freak in Murdoch, who is completely consumed by the obsession to control public opinion through manipulation in the media is trying to take down a kindred spirit.
I wonder what the real motivation is, When did Soros cross Murdoch or what deal went bad?
Either way i have no trust in any of them at that end of business, greed and crazed minds prevail over the common good.
And what is sinister about telling us that the boat has sailed on a shadow world government. The innuendo that there are 7 families that really run the world is as old as the hills. Didn't realise that anyone really disagreed with the basic premise of this. After all it is pretty clear from events that our governments sure don't run the countries.

10/11/10 pts 1,2&3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn2orMCZqgQ&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6PhdzhMv6w&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69Y5lBXZjuM&feature=player_embedded

Richie 10: Watch me, i have yet to fail in anything I put my mind on unless it's to do with personal relationships.

I don't need to go under their power? why should I? I have a choice, I do not pay for anything I think is not going to benefit me. Definately to not appreciate your judgmental self. You know nothing about me, so you are not entitled to form and opinion on me, or preach your religion on me. It is your believes, you believe it. :) I am extremely happy and have no questions against my believes. I only have questions on my presence.

I am loved by many, the ones who I chose to open up to. This is what they tell me. So I don't have to tell myself that as I can feel it. I see it in the people i meet, the children who look at me, the animals and insects that come to me...

See, before you judge someone, judge yourself first eh? because that is the only being you are allowed to judge as a human, as only you know yourself and nobody else.

Al: Please respect that i am a female.. so no "Mate" thank you. Yea, i hear ya, but what can you do about it honestly.. i mean the laws in this countries, are worse then the ones in europe when i live there.. and i thought they were regulated then. well unlike the rest of you here, I am filing a few cases against the misconduct, discrimanation, la di da, with this government. I love the country, please don't get me wrong but some of the laws are just- dot dot dot

I'm not worried, i just need more energy n time to do everything i plan to do. I have won with pretty influence ppl before.. and it's only about the government acknowledging what the have done thanks to their so called LAWS

Thanx Proxy.. all welcome.

Pelly.. just to quote you and clarify,

//Your agenda appears to ignore the positive aspects of any program that appears on the face of it, to be 'socialist' when it serves a collective good and paid for by the collective. For example universal health care, education etal.

I'm all FOR those things.

-Universal Health Care (balancing private and public as we do in Vic)
-I'd include dental for those in most need. (paid for by the 'collective' i.e..Taxes)
-Education? now that's an interesting one.

If we can get University professors to work for 'reasonable' rates and not break the bank with such things, then Education should be available to the widest possible community.

As with Health Care, we face the danger of sacrificing quality for quantity. I'm not an economist, but if some one is.. help us out here.
The more who benefit something (Ed/HC) there are only 2 things which can happen.

1/ We maintain quality and quanitity but it might just sap the bank more than we figured.
2/ We sacrifice quality for quantity and make ends meet.

There is another possibility.

Have a broad stream with talent recognition included and then stream them to more specialized Ed facilities. I rather like that one.

I'd have a PEOPLES BANK. Good grief..how hard is it to work out how to bring in or phase out some fee or charge and to have sound lending practices ? ?

I'd have an ELECTRICITY PAYERS COLLECTIVE as I mentioned. We sign up.. then DEAL with as much brutality and 'take no prisoners' as we can with these pus ridden greedy running flesh eating ulcers of privatized elec companies.

What I REJECT is the idea of a bloke thinking he is the *conscience of the world* (Soros) and having the gall to say:

“the former Soviet Empire is now called the Soros Empire.”
http://bsimmons.wordpress.com/2010/06/24/who-is-george-soros/

you know what i just don't get till now.. why some ppl take jobs which they can't even do. and they don't even know what it is about. It can get quite frustrating working with incompetent people. When i say something once, I expect it to be understood. I can speak ok english. The ppl in the depts here.. i don't think they understand english. Must be this Aussie English thing...

Now, back to the topic Al, what are you trying to say? that all these power control, i definitely wouldn't called then idols people think they are god? Shoot them an email and tell them to get a reality check.. by got.. they're all such good liars and most of them have mental problems.. that they have to lie and think that power, control, and money is going to make things right.. smart.. in making money yes.. smart in life? no. but that's just my opionion. If they cared.. why would they have allowed that much damaged to be done to our home?

Jinny..you grew up in Malaysia ? ? hmmm.. bagaimana, masih ingat bahasa kebangsaan?

I also witnessed all that rubbish. 1977 to 1986 I lived/worked there.

PELLY..back to you.

My fundamental 'mantra' is this. "When you spend all that capitalist generated money.. every socialist is equally poor" (except of course the 'puppet master' who is orchestrating failed states....Soros)

ENGLISH UNIVERSITY FEES.. are now to triple...i.e.. they will cost what they REALLY cost.. now, in good socialist theory/practice the well organized communist students are raging in the streets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmudJafnQh0 (Notice the Socialist Workers signs in the crowd!) Cripes..and they whine about the EDL ? :)

This was as predictable as the day following night.

1/ Overload the system.
2/ When the finanical poo hit's the economic fan -Cause serious conflict and social unrest
3/ Take over.. *revolution* and remove 'poverty' :) by making everyone equally poor so there is no one obviously 'poorer' than you.

(Refer Cloward Pliven strategy)

See this violent revolution now being ADVOCATED by frustrated left wing journalists....
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/msnbc-host-calls-for-revolution-real-change-perhaps-through-violence/

What I find curious is that 'Socialists' in a western (capitalist funded) democracy can:

a) Imagine that a socialist economic system will bring better lives to all

b) Be immune to the definite probability of the country going down the economic gurgler in so doing...(as we have now see in Communist countries)

AL! LOL! Jangan ketawa!! I love it there too! Manglish is da best language in da world.. coz it's got so many mixes like rojak tau tak! :) ahahaha... so happy to know you faham. Cina faham juga pakcik, or is it makcik? :P

My bahasa bit merosot now coz hardly get to practice. Would be great to have someone I can brush it up with over here. Lol.. Yea, when I was growing up there, there were quite a lot of expats in my town from all over the world.

I spent a lot of my childhood with the older generation and I supposed I still prefer that. They have a lot more wisdom and knowledge to share, and because they know that time is an essence to them, they don't waste much of it of trivia matters.

I always used to wish when i was young after observing adult behavior: if only everyone had the same earnings and social standing. If only the successful ones were all down to earth and not sneer at the less fortunate, if only everyone was as kind and generous as my father was.

I know i wish that, reality is, a lot of humans are selfish, they lie, cheat, abuse, to get what they want in life and never consider others. We all hope this changes. I am lucky I have had many good people come into my life to advice me the right ways from the wrong. I hope what I do is right, and I hope I have not insulted and upset to many in this forum. It has been such a good learning experience spending time here, and I thank you all for that.

you know the funny thing about humans? most of them are just never happy with what they have. I mean here is us not happy with the gov here, bk home they're aren't happy either, everywhere in the world ppl compaint about all this control because we have lost of freedom. Apa nak buat skrang? Just live with it and appreciate what we have, not what we don't. Sigh.. Al, i just made this joke yesterday.. classic man.. my friend bk home kept typing sigh.. then i cakap dengan dia, you sigh sigh so much nanti pang sai! boleh tak?

Sorry for the switch of language, i know it disrespectful but I love speaking the other languages I am familiar with and I hope I'm entitiled to do that here.

you know n here some think it's better over there.. and there they think it's better here.. funny. Anywhere to live is good, if you choose to make it that way, it's not that hard.

Feel like stopping post because of some of the response I get. Label me gila.. sigh.. I can't help having all this knowledge. I choose to share it because I care, not because i want to get into a debate.

honest to god.. you can be your own god, if you believe you are.. because you and only you alone have the power to change. Have a great Friday everyone.. Let's have a competition to see how many smiles we can get today. Weekend tomorrow.. HOORAY!

Hiiii Jinny :) it's Pakcik for sure.. lelakilah saya.

Glad to give you a sense of connection.

Don't feel downhearted about some of the responses.. we get all types here. So..which area did you live in Malaysia?

Today is part 3 of Beck exposing Soros :) it's rather hilarious.

1/ Beck exposes Soros as 'puppet master' using SOROS OWN WORDS...in living color/video.

2/ MediaMatters mocks Beck...and extols Soros

3/ MediaMatters of course received 1.8million from Soros and of course..they are not only 'not' going to bite the hand that feeds them but also they will snuggle up and give his hand a lick or 3 :)

Soros number 2 Executive tried to intimidate Fox and Beck...to no avail.
They tried the old "SEXUAL EXPOSE'" trick on Beck but it just fell flat because no substance. Lasted all of about 2 days I think.

What worries me more than a man who confesses to having fanstasies about being a god... is that lefty's seem to ignore this megalomaniacal delusion, and simply follow his agenda like lemmings.
But well know how lemmings end...and it's not a nice ending.

Cat got your tongue, Boaz?

I know how important it is that you people have graven images to burn in the fiery pits (that may be a mixed metaphor; I'm actually not entirely certain what you religious folk do with graven images. But I do know that you are against them, generally speaking).

Although I'm not sure that you have selected a particularly viable target on this occasion, nor that your slings and arrows are actually reaching their mark.

Beck can slander Soros all he likes, the only outcome will be an erosion of his own credibility. As I pointed out to you earlier in this thread, all the bogeymen that he conjures up are mere figments of his virulent anti-socialist imagination, brought into being so that the mass of people who only look at the pictures can be manipulated into deeper ignorance.

This is classic weasel-wording, Boaz, that you have swallowed whole.

"[Soros is] known as the man who broke the bank of England. The Prime Minister of Malaysia called Soros an unscrupulous profiteer. In Thailand, he was branded the 'economic war criminal.' They also said that he “sucks the blood from people."

Pure rabble-rousing pamphleteering.

The phrase "the man who broke the bank of England" is simply a headline formed from a nineteenth-century music-hall song:

"As I walk along the Bois de Boulogne With an independent air
You can hear the girls declare "He must be a Millionaire."
You can hear them sigh and wish to die,
You can see them wink the other eye
At the man who broke the bank at Monte Carlo"

The Bank of England still stands.

Dr Mahathir, as I previously pointed out, subsequently apologized to George Soros, personally and in public" for his intemperate, politically inspired outburst.

Interestingly, the supposed Thai verdict that he was an "economic war criminal" who "sucks the blood from people" doesn't seem to have an original attribution. I wonder where it came from?

>>lefty's seem to ignore this megalomaniacal delusion, and simply follow his agenda like lemmings.<<

What agenda is that, Boaz?

Be specific.

Selamat pagi pakcik. Saya raya bahasa baku anda lebih fasir daripada saya. Coz the younger generation now like to take short cuts with everything so we can save time. Now we go online with all kinds of lingo that if you're not in that generation, it's hard to comprehend the writings. Do you realize how we use symbols to express expressions now? That is evolutiob.
Saya dari sebuah kampung tepi pantai bernama Port Dickson. Goodness, I feel like I'm back in primary school now :). Where were you station? With the army by any chance?

Sorres is a *toot* and so are most of the successful entrepreneurs and powerful icons at this time. Look at my ex boss, I had a big show down with him because he abused the workers right just because it is in asia, BS! We got bk on good terms after that tho.

They will all get what is coming to them in due time, coz karma, is real. I know it so well, and see it happening everyday. They are all greedy inconsiderate liars! Honestly, with more n more of us getting aware of what is really happening to the systems, how long more do you think it's going to go on this way. They people in asia are protesting and rioting whenever needed because they too are trying to topple the gov. Btw, I've lived most of my live in MYS, only 2 yrs here.. But I observe n see n learn a lot.

Am so happy to terjumpa org di sini from my home country.. Coz I'm so missing my parents right now. Danielle lived there as well she mentioned. Just finished wt my phychiatrist n he suggest I shouldn't write to strangers :p coz he knows I write here.

11/11/10 pts 1,2&3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JznwUUPxF10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipgjtGQG9sY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvtjAULISEk

OH Pericles :) I'm smiling ear to ear here.

Thank you for your contribution!

Without you we would be suffering 'lack of alternative view anxiety'.

Ok.. let me look at one of your insights.

"Beck can slander Soros all he likes, the only outcome will be an erosion of his own credibility."

This is a most interesting statement. Because (unless I'm wrong) you appear not to have actually viewed the material from Becks 3 day 'expose'.

If you had, you would quickly realize that the 'slander' as you put it, comes directly from the mouth of Mr Soros himself. All Beck is doing is saying "LOOOK...THERE IT IS... LISTEN TO IT".

There are too many examples of things (in context) which Soros has said to start quoting here now..but if you have a look at him pointing out that the only thing holding up 'his' New World Order is....yep..the United States....then you might see that Beck is not adding much to what Soros says...Beck is just telescoping it all into a shorter time so we can actually see the incremental (wolf in sheeps clothing) but real nature of the beast.

But the thing which made me smile... was your 'hook line and sinker' acceptance of the 'surface' layer of "Mahathir apoligies to Soros" :) oh my oh myyyy oh my..Jinny will be able to help you out here.. Malaysian politics has a 'way' of it.. usually with large amounts of money changing hands. Do I need to say more ? :)

The one that realllly used to crack me up, was when a member of the opposition party puts in a full page advert in the Borneo Post saying "After long and serious reflection and consideration, I have decided to join the government party" ! :)

HIS AGENDA ? is.."New World Order, Global Government with HIM as it's conscience" (it's secular god?)

JINNY... hang in mate.. I'm Aussie though..not malaysian. I was in Sarawak.

Pericles again....sorry, I didn't address some of your earlier questions.

"What is he doing"... he is building a huge network of foundations aimed at undermining national sovereignty(s) and forging a one world Government. "Global Government" He is undermining the independance and sovereignty of the United States. Thus he is a national security threat.

Yes, he should be stopped.

The back and forth between the Fox exec and the Soros one was reported by Beck (who was the focus of the discussion) (i.e. attempted intimidation)

Pericles.. just out of curiosity, are you a member of the Fabians ?

I must say I found you far more agreeable in your plain vanilla whack-a-mozzie costume, Boaz. This recently-acquired "it's all a global conspiracy" schtick is actually quite sad.

>>HIS AGENDA ? is.."New World Order, Global Government with HIM as it's conscience" (it's secular god?)<<

Nicely vague.

You need to work on that - Arjay does it so much more convincingly, you know. In his case it is an international cadre of banksters, or some such nonsense. Your bogeyman is less well defined, and relies entirely on the input of populist US TV personalities, which doesn't have the same gravitas.

From experience, I have learned over the months that it is pointless arguing facts with someone who actually believes that there is a "Global Government", or that some individual or individuals are hell-bent on creating one.

Because there never are any.

And you certainly appear to be hooked...

>>you would quickly realize that the 'slander' as you put it, comes directly from the mouth of Mr Soros himself.<<

Stringing together a bunch of sound-bites is the oldest deception in a very well-worn bag of tricks, I'm afraid. And has never been at all convincing.

>>But the thing which made me smile... was your 'hook line and sinker' acceptance of the 'surface' layer of "Mahathir apoligies to Soros"<<

Oh, please. It was precisely as convincing as his original slander. Both were entirely driven by political expedience. Which is, as we both understand, all about money.

Trouble is, unlike the good doctor, I'm beginning to suspect that you actually believe this...

>>"What is he doing"... he is building a huge network of foundations aimed at undermining national sovereignty(s) and forging a one world Government. "Global Government"<<

My thesis - and as Arjay will tell you, I have been researching for some time - is that conspiracy theory uses the same part of the brain as religion. Some people need desperately to invent an answer to life's weirdness.

But it's actually quite simple , Boaz. You don't have to invent gods, or conspiracies.

It is what it is because it is.

Simple

Blu, because you have been looking for Love in all the wrong places.
Posted by Richie 10, Thursday, 11 November 2010 3:49:52 AM

Thank-you Richie. I hope my wife does not here this:) I believe If you are with love, and we are the same species, logic would dictate that all would feel the same as us and they do Richie. Just some are more in touch than others.

BLUE

Dear Pericles

you say:

//My thesis - and as Arjay will tell you, I have been researching for some time - is that conspiracy theory uses the same part of the brain as religion. Some people need desperately to invent an answer to life's weirdness.//

I tend to agree with part of that-the bit about "conspiracy theories/part of brain/religion"

In Arjay's case his main premise is based on speculation and arguments from silence. Specially the 9/11 'conspiracy'.

One (you) could easily move from that implausible/flawed/politically biased approach (which seems to scratch a certain type of person exactly where they are itching) and apply it to ALL information about various activities or exposure of activities, such as those of Mr Soros.

THE DIFFERENCE...between the Soros scheme and the 9/11 conspiracies is that in Soros case you actually have it from his own mouth. He documents his goals in his own books. He has the runs on the board which are there for all of us to see.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros#Political_donations_and_activism

What the wiki article does not do however is show Mr SOROS in press conferences and speeches where he says the things you very irresponsibly describe as 'sound bites'.

You could say the same things about many of the quotations from Hitlers speeches or Pol Pots... "just sound bites"...nope..sorry that doesn't and wont work here.

If I was woffling on like "Glenn Beck says Soros says"...... you could possibly have a case, but that's not how it works. Here is how it really works- Glenn Beck says "Soros says/does"......then shows SOROS saying/doing that very thing. You don't have to be particularly bright to catch the context of what Soros is saying.. Beck usually provides enough 'sound bite' for the context to be clear.

"Broke the bank of England" means 'broke their will to resist' which he surely did. (and made a cool billion)

@Pericles still.....

I 'could' go on about the old favorite of Arjay's "Rothchilds/Bankers/New World Order"... but if one cannot actually show accurately that such things are the specific goals of such people.. in their own words...it tends to look a bit tardy, which is why Arjay tends to be mocked quite a lot.

His 9/11 conspiracy thing is just ludicrous, and you know this.

The problem for Arjay is that he is looking for 'hidden' things which he can 'reveal to us all'.

This SOROS thing is not hidden..it's in plain sight.

If I were to connect the dots, the following would be very closely connected. (Politically)

Group A
Gore/Strong/Zoi/Blunt/CCX/Cap & Trade/Democratic party/Socialist-communist elements in the Democratic party/Green movement.

Group B

Soros/Open society insitutes/various foundations/undermining national sovereignty/destroy the United States/create a Global government.

Group C Socialist thinkers, Frankfurt school,==> Political Correctness/MultiCulturalism/Feminism

Pulling allll this together, you have the FABIANS or at least their strategy and thinking.

WHO IS DRIVING ALL THIS ? Well..if it was as simple as just choosing a name there would be little to discuss for sure. I don't believe there IS "a name" running all this, though SOROS does figure highly with his resources and activities.

BECK speaks about Soros as the 'Puppet Master' but I once saw a very good cartoon which showed at the lowest level "Political Puppets" which strings attached to a "Puppet Master".. but then the more poignant part of the image showed strings leading up from the Puppet Master to...... the edge of the image.

This is the point where I become 'religious' and I don't expect you or anyone who is not schooled in such things to agree... because I'm not trying to convince you :) The puppet master's "MASTER" is none other than Satan. "the god of this world".

cont...

Now..you can have some fun with that if you wish :)

@ Pericles....

Continued on.

Now.. the 60s were a momentus period in the West.

FRANKFURT SCHOOL of SOCIALISTS/Communists.....
(which spawned...)

HERBERT MARCUSE......(thinking behind much of American 60s counter culture) who gave us:

-[Political Correctness/MultiCulturalism/Gay Rights/Feminism]into popular counter culture.

SAUL ALINSKY......... "Rules for Radicals"

and Alinksy's forward says it all, in connection with my 'god of this world' point in the last post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals

"Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history... the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer."

Although Alinsky may have been an atheist..... I consider him ignorant of 'who' was pulling his strings.

Amazing also how many of these people are Jewish.

Marcuse
Soros
Alinsky
Marx

and many other names could be mentioned. Can't figure out why to be honest..but it's real and strange.

Dear Al,

Fox News only came up with their creeping communism scenario after Bush lost power. Beck's star began to rise about the same time...and before you could say "Obama's a communist" they had found their new conspiracy format.
I did watch Beck one day as he alluded to Obama's supposed "communist sympathies" by implicating his grandfather's torture at the hands of British colonialists in Kenya. All accompanied by Beck's knowing looks and shaking head.
Beck performs...he is a performer....every move, grimace, faux tear and meaningful stare into space is scripted. I can't believe that you can't see that, Al.

You all really have nothing better to do with your time? The arguments you come up with.

Yeah, that's going to change things. I hope you are happy with yourselves. I don't get why some of you even bother to contribute here. Your knowledge is so limited. I'll give you an example: Like how the Americans, not all, but a lot of them only knows about their country. You try to talk to then about the rest of their world, their knowledge is close to zilch.

You can see how after 9/11, all the political leaders in the states made terrorist such importance there that even before knowing someone, the have already labelled them. Yea, keep believing everything you read and hear in the media, don't bother to hear the personal stories.

And you as an adult, will be so stubborn, even when you are wrong, you will keep coming up with your ridiculous theories, so you can feel better about yourself because you think you are right.

When are you going to stop thinking about you. When society can do that, then it will change.

Jinny,

I'm a bit puzzled by your attitude to OLO.

Why in the world would you frequent a site like OLO when you appear not to believe in debate, discussion and the frank dissemination of counter opinion. It is called "On Line Opinion", after all.

You do, however, seem to enjoy, and take every opportunity to have your say....would you deny your fellow posters the same privilege?

Poirot,

I stumbled on this site because of personal circumstances. I know how forum works. A user post a problem, and the rest come up with a solution. What I don't get here, if all the ARGUING.

Discuss the was to resolve an issue. I don't have a problem with that. But this forum, the users like to personally attack other posters. That is what I am trying to state.

I got attacked and judged enough i reckon. I joined, to get an opinion, not to get judged. The forum should maintain on the topic, but from what I have noticed here, it becomes personal.

I felt hurt by some quite a bit of the postings. How can you post thing about someone else(ok, I do it as well), when you don't even know them?

I am just not used to so much fighting. My bad. and I will apologize for that.

Dear Jinny,

You are right that things can become personal - although, if things get out of hand in that regard, Graham usually steps in.

Regarding your initial post. I believe you received some well-balanced feedback.

You appear to be quite an open and giving person and you tend to raise your own personal issues in your posts, and hence, you invite discussion on them.

I tend to agree with a lot of what you say about media brainwashing, however, I think you would be better served by not allowing fellow poster's argumentative tendencies to get under your skin.

Thanks Poirot, I really appreciate that. Instead of some posters saying I need professional help. I think they need more professional help then I do. As i said somewhere before, don't understand english, go learn first. I can type in manglish which is more fun, but you all won't understand.

I don't know who Graham is. I have not had the luxury of meeting him.

Before I was quite updated with news, but now I know better. Because I have information of those actually IN THE NEWS. The Media tries to cover up everything, because they know their government will get blamed for the losses.. of life.

I posted a new topic this morning, it hasn't come out yet. Of course it will be up to the administrator. Freedom of speech? umm... where?

regarding this topic. I think all have been said. We all know what is happening and thank you for all the extra information.

Dear Poirot

You say:

//I did watch Beck one day//

and

//Beck performs...he is a performer....every move, grimace, faux tear and meaningful stare into space is scripted. I can't believe that you can't see that, Al.//

COMMENT.

P, one day is not really being fair to the bloke, or the information he shares.
Why not take the time to view the 10 part links (from Proxy) for the past 3 days alone on Soros ? If you do, you'll see that the rationality for Becks/Fox's concerns are Soros own words.. taken in context, from either video footage or Soros own publications.

Beck a Performer ? :) nooooooo.. never.. yee gads....how is that possible?

C'mon..I wasn't born yesterday..of COURSE he is a performer. A very colorful one at that. But it does not for a second mean the information is bogus!
Handling true information in a colorful 'performance' type way is just good TV....the core information though is even better history and public awareness which might just save us from 'The Boogey Man'.

Dear Al,

I did watch more of Beck when he first arrived on the scene, so I have seen a fair bit of him. I was quite interested in his style, and my conclusion was that he was doing nothing more than plugging the neocon agenda on behalf of Murdoch and Fox News - albeit with a brand new act.

Btw, apologies for diverting the thread back there.

Divert ? :) it's ok mate... but seriously.. re Beck and his style.

Do you not actually notice that he used well contextualized quotes/video of key people to demonstrate his assertions?

When he asserts "Under Cap and Trade your electricity bill will SKYrocket" he follows this up with OBAMA saying that very thing...

When he says 'Soros wants a new global world order/government' he shows Soros saying exactly that....

Now..this is not 'Neocon' agenda it's cold hard brutal facts.

(I feel like pinching you to wake you up :) but I'm officially a 'sensitive' person now.. cos a woman (with her partner) came to our Christian stand at the Maroondah Festival and said so...then she reached out to grab and hold my hand for a bit :) what a world eh.

Dear Al,

The technique of inserting random sound and video bites to back up an assertion or an agenda is a well-known device of manipulation. The fact that this is a stock-in-trade tactic regularly employed by maestro Beck in his "down-home truth sessions" is, in my opinion, extremely dodgy.

Funnily enough, I have the same feeling about wanting to pinch you. Strange, isn't it, that people see things so differently.

Dear Poirot...

I'm fully aware *OUCH*...what was that ? (looks around) hmm... of the use of 'sound/vido bites' to 'seemingly' back up an assertion.

But the thing is with Beck/Soros...as Beck says.. it's not a secret..it is OUT THERE in the light of day...in:-

a) Soros OWN books
b) Soros OWN statements which are easily seen in context so as to be absolutely certain of his meaning.

I mean..if the bloke says "I want to build a global government"..... how ambiguous is that ? ? ?

If he says "My foundation network is working towards this goal"..... ummm blind nellie and even blind Poirot can see it...can't she?

The reason this 'god' complex is so easily identifiable is because I think this baboon actually BELIEVES he has some kind of Luciferian god-right to 'be' what he fantasized about.. ie.. in some dark demonic way.."he is sincere"

Beck (aka 'The Force' :) is on his case.. and the (socially) Conservative movement is re-discovering it's roots...and drive and passion.

Nah, Boaz.

>>In Arjay's case his main premise is based on speculation and arguments from silence<<

You're just kidding yourself, that's all.

>>This SOROS thing is not hidden..it's in plain sight. If I were to connect the dots, the following would be very closely connected.(Politically) Group A Gore/Strong/Zoi/Blunt/CCX/Cap & Trade/Democratic party/Socialist-communist elements in the Democratic party/Green movement. Group B Soros/Open society insitutes/various foundations/undermining national sovereignty/destroy the United States/create a Global government. Group C Socialist thinkers, Frankfurt school,==> Political Correctness/MultiCulturalism/Feminism Pulling allll this together, you have the FABIANS or at least their strategy and thinking.<<

That is precisely the logic Arjay uses to pin the blame for 9/11 on the elite bankers/Bush/Cheney/Rice etc. Just string together a whole lot of supposed bogeymen with "links" and voilà!

Conspiracy Proven!

Sadly, you haven't yet worked out that the judicious selection of sound-bites is the stock-in-trade of the irresponsible journalist.

>>...Mr SOROS in press conferences and speeches where he says the things you very irresponsibly describe as 'sound bites'.<<

Of course, you yourself have a history of using carefully selected sound-bites from your chosen religious adversary, against them, do you not? So it shouldn't surprise me that you applaud such behaviour in others.

It certainly explains your continued use of the technique to support your current candidate for fear-and-loathing.

Is it his wealth you despise, by any chance? It certainly seems to be a theme of yours, encapsulated, even, in your presently-chosen nick for this Forum.

You're a worry, that you are.

HI Pericles.

You ask: "Is it his wealth you despise, by any chance?"

Would you envy a man with his face? (looks more like a Lion which has just lined up a limping wilderbeast than a kindly ol grandpa)

I still don't see why you lump me in with Arjay?

Soros has said "Just call the former soviet empire the Soros Empire"

He's openly stated (himself you duffer) that he is aiming for and working towards Global Government (Governance). As I said.. you don't have to paw over the intestines to see this. Perhaps this is why you just don't get it.

9/11 is debunkable because you can take their claims one by one and subject them to scientific analysis...and *poof* they evaporate.

SOROS ? mate..he has outlined it all himself. You don't need to speculate.

I'ts you who is a worry when you look but don't 'see'.

Soros was confiscating Jewish property 'to survive'....BECK points this out and says:
QUOTE:
I am certainly not saying that George Soros enjoyed that, even had a choice.
UNQUOTE

But wait...what does SOROS say himself ? :)

"It was the best year of my life...I enjoyed it" (quote)

What does the ADL say about Beck?

"He is an anti semite"....Beck writes to them and asks "Which things did I say which were anti semitic"?

They reply (letter)

//Dear Glenn, a direct mail piece recently sent to some ADL supporters around the country inadvertently misidentified you on the list of celebrities that had made anti Semitic statements over the past year. This was clearly a mistake and we deeply regret that your name was included in the mailing which was produced by an independent third party contractor.//

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/the-puppet-master-read-the-beck-tv-background-guide-to-george-soros/

You might find that link helpful, but the video matarial is the best in my opinion. He says things in clear context which are difficult to misinterpret.

Beck is asserting that Soros is seeking to influence the world and create Global Governance through a vast network of foundations. I don't find any evidence to the contrary, but volumes of evidence in the affirmative.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=977

//Soros had previously experienced considerable success in effecting "regime change" elsewhere in the world. For instance, he helped fund the 1989 "Velvet Revolution" that brought Vaclav Havel to power in the Czech Republic. And by his own admission, he helped engineer coups in Slovakia, Croatia, Georgia, and Yugoslavia.//

Note the words "By his own admission".....

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201011090050 that's a left wing media site critical of Beck. The vid has useful information on Soros.

One would need to dig a bit deeper in the 'Shadow Party' volume for specific documentation.

You could examine the connection between Soros/Open Society Institute/Centre for American progress and see how policy and even Obama's team members were chosen by the CAP. (by their own admission on their web site..I've linked to that before)

If you can't see that you are being led by the nose into a world of half-truths, innuendo and manipulation, by a clever communicator using carefully selected quotes, Boaz, than I'm afraid there is little hope for you to understand any more than that which you are being told.

It's a shame, of course. But since you use exactly the same tactics in your various whack-a-mozzie campaigns, I cannot pretend to be surprised.

Have a great day.

I remember when I was about 20 - 60 years ago, there was an article in the papers of a group who said that the very rich should own and control the world, and I don't doubt that some effort has been put in to accomplish this.

Merv09.... oh my... you headliner with no substance :) (I'm being Pericles)

Pericles, I suspect is either 'part' of the movement, or shares their values and objectives it seems.

He might even have shares in Media Matters... but he can't see that when George Soros is justly attacked on Fox...that the headlines/soundbites and information is mainly from Soros himself....
and of course MEDIA MATTERS gives it's spirited "defense" or Mr Soros who just gave them a million bucks to do so :)

Nope..this is lost on Pericles. It's a bit dodgy blaming someone for 'carefully selecting soundbites' when the full story is out there in full in any one of a number of volumes Soros has produced.

The only issue is 'Do the headlines/soundbites' accurately reflect the tone and direction of the volume from which they came.

I'm not sure why Pericles would defend Soros.. Pericles.. any insight there about your position ?

I'm guessing you are either a convinced socialist 'elitist' or.. you just like to poke your literary finger at anyone you suspect of shallowness ?

On the "whack-Islam" theme... you are just out of your depth there I'm afraid.

Example. "Islam specifically permits wife beating" (assertion)

Quran 4:34 read it and be thankful you are neither female nor Muslim.

That verse is 'prescriptive' ie... 'Permitted' In Islam, which has the following categories of behavior.

-Obligatory
-Permissable
-Tolerated
-Haram/Unlawful.

This will help you get up to speed Pericles.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101.html

Dear Al,

It begs the question - that if conclusive evidence of Soros' megalomaniacal plan to take over the world is so evident and readily available, then why is Beck spending so much time deconstructing and reconstructing it into bite-size portions for his audience?

Indeed it does dear Poirot!

Probably because of this:

"Inevitability of gradualism".

Soros (and Fabians) know that if you 'clutter' the political space with soooo much stuff going on... even something in plain sight will be invisible to the average "poirot" or Al in the street.

Because things happen by 'string pulling' and in small increments with the prime movers pulling those string sufficiently removed by a few layers (like the Organized Crime bosses).. it makes it difficult to join the dots to those individuals.

I cannot for the life of me fathom how anyone (including your illustrious self, but SPECially the likes of brother Pericles) who has done a bit of reading of history and conflict between nation states etc....can NOT see that all of it boils down to such people as Soros (people who can pull very tight financial strings and who have a 'vision' for the world - in their image)

Just think..the Merdici's in Venice.. crikey..they were almost paranoid about 'competing families' trying to assasinate them and get their business (Banking) One can name any Monarch or 'Noble Family' and it's the same thing....dominance, wealth, power, greed, glory.

Don't you agree ?

Why would it be any different today?

If you have a very close look at Beck's agenda, you'll see that his focal point is not a 'new political system' as much as 'new people' who have restored "Honour" to its rightful place in society.

He rips into the republicans as well as the demobrats.

Dear Al,

Dare I ask what form this restoration of "Honour" has taken? I'm interested to learn of the (supposed) substance of this notion.

(Btw - there is no such thing as an "average" Poirot)

Here's a couple more reasons, Boaz, why you might like to re-think this.

>>The only issue is 'Do the headlines/soundbites' accurately reflect the tone and direction of the volume from which they came.<<

Think like Arjay for a moment.

>>He's openly stated (himself you duffer) that he is aiming for and working towards Global Government (Governance).<<

Is it really likely that someone intent on creating a World Government would make such an open declaration of intent?

Is it not far more likely that he is merely the front man? And that there is someone even more powerful, sinister and devious pulling the strings?

Or is it not even far, far likelier perhaps, that there is no puppet-master, that he has no such intention at all, and that you are simply grabbing random quotes?

Balance of probabilities?

The other rather nasty bluebottle in your otherwise fragrant unguent is the argument that you feel must carry the day for both Soros and Fabianism

"Inevitability of gradualism".

Boaz, there is absolutely nothing inevitable about gradualism, per se.

It is just... gradual, that's all.

There's a very busy spider outside, who is building a web that, if he continues to work hard, will gradually encompass the entire globe. There is, however, no inevitability about his achieving this, no matter how long or how hard he tries.

Even if he passes on the trade to his offspring, and they continue to work towards "Global Covernance", as they call it in their quiet arachnoid moments, there is still very little chance that they will achieve their goal before the heat-death of the sun.

>>I cannot for the life of me fathom how anyone... who has done a bit of reading of history and conflict between nation states etc....can NOT see that all of it boils down to such people as Soros<<

That's because you are caught up in all the excitement, Boaz, and are not employing the little grey cells (sorry, Poirot). You have latched onto a clever communicator, who can manipulate his audience like a politically-motivated John Edwards.

And who, I daresay, is equally sincere.

Dear Al,
As an exercise in sorting the wood from the trees, 50 years ago my grandmother told me to vote liberal as labor had no imagination. My father, a red hot socialist had always told us to vote labor as liberal was the enemy of the working class. I asked dad why his mother told me to vote liberal and this was his answer " Son your grandmother is a woman and all women love Bob Menzies because he introduced child endowment". Thirty years ago I was born again and I started going to church and they taught a lot on imagination and I soon realized that I had none. 30 years later having surrendered my will to THE WORD OF GOD, Jesus I realized that I now have a very fertile imagination and as Jesus came to save our soul, people who chose to reject Gods Word and accept the twisted word have trouble with vision and can't see the wood for the trees. 2 weeks ago the penny dropped and I now know why my grandmother told me to vote liberal and it was not because she was a woman as she had very keen vision. Socialists are great on words it is the loving and doing that they have a problem with. God is LOVE. Jesus said to Simon Peter in Peters lowest hour " Do you love me", and Peter answered "Yes, Lord; you know that I love you". Then He said "Feed my lambs". Faith is the substance of things hoped for. Socialists hope is in the words of Karl Marx not the words of Jesus.

Hi_Richie...well said mate..*amen*.

Dear POIROT -the 'form' that rally took was speeches and personalities which sought to cut through the us/them political rhetoric of Repub/Dem and race and it was the culmination of a long period of Becks build up which included a strong focus on the inclusion of and highlighting of African American participation in the founding of the nation. Unfortunately the socialist elements have tried to create a HUGE gulf of division between black and white and then exploit it. (see Jed Brandt 'the bald communist' who vehemently states "We must increase the alientation between the working classes and the rich" kind of tone)
This is why beck had a major contribution on the day from MLK's niece.

Pericles: *Think like Arjay?* :) perish the thought.

//Is it really likely that someone intent on creating a World Government would make such an open declaration of intent?//

If they truly believed it to be a noble goal...yes of course.

Re "thinking like Arjay".. there is a vital difference between my approach and his. I STOP at what you and I can both see to be true.
I STOP at Soros...and don't claim further.

IF....I thought like Arjay and that mob, I'd be going into the following:

Illuminati
Rothschilds
Jewish comspiracy
Rockafella's

etc... but you'll find such themes noticable by their absense from pretty much everything I say. While there MAY be some connection...and I do suspect there is...I can't prove it's reality or nature.

I'll give you a small example of what 'could' form the basis for some Arjay-like speculation.

Remember my rant against Gore, Strong and company? I think I pointed out that there is a

Rothschild/Strong/Climate Exchange/Rockafella connection as follows:

A man on the board of China Petroleum's carbon exchange is Franco Bernabi.
-Jewish
-VP of Rothschilds Europe
-Banker

Strong is also there (China) and connected to the Rockafella's

But while they are 'facts' it would be more than one can prove to state categorically they are part of a world wide conspiracy to form one world (Jewish controlled) Government, which is usually how the 'theories' go.

Ok, Boaz, let's chase that rabbit down a hole for a while.

>>If they truly believed [World Government] to be a noble goal...yes of course<<

When someone talks about a "noble goal", they tend to talk about it all the time, wouldn't you agree?

Let's take a very current example, Aung San Suu Kyi.

Here's a lady who believes that introducing democracy to Burma is a "noble goal". As a result of this belief, she has been under house arrest for fifteen of the past twenty-one years.

When the Burmese government encouraged her to leave the country to join her exiled husband, she refused, believing - probably correctly - that she would not be allowed back. As a result, when her husband died in 1999, she had not seen him for four years.

Throughout all this, she did not stop speaking out in support of democracy for her country.

That's how a "noble goal" manifests itself, Boaz. In a consistent, outspoken, committed and unambiguous manner, where the cause and its proponent are inseparable.

Not in the devious third-party gathering-together of carefully-selected sound-bites.

You are being led by the nose down a narrow, slippery path by a clever, unscrupulous manipulator, Boaz. When you finally wake up to yourself, you will be distinctly embarrassed by your infatuation with Glenn Beck.

And you can't weasel your way out of being the clone-of-Arjay, either.

>>Re "thinking like Arjay".. there is a vital difference between my approach and his. I STOP at what you and I can both see to be true.<<

A vital difference, Boaz?

Here's your assessment, unedited, of Soros' agenda:

>>...he is building a huge network of foundations aimed at undermining national sovereignty(s) and forging a one world Government. "Global Government" He is undermining the independance and sovereignty of the United States. Thus he is a national security threat.<<

Yet you haven't presented a shred of evidence of this actually happening. You have simply presented an opinion - someone else's, actually - of what Soros might be up to.

So, wear the badge with pride. You have earned it.

I suppose I can see where you're coming from Pericles.. re my 'assertion' but no 'evidence' situation.

The problem is....there is so much!

I could refer you to a specific video showing Soros saying as much as I've claimed, except that 'he' puts it differently. He couches the undermining of regimes in terms of 'saving' countries.

The last thing I want to do is overwhelm to the point of "AAah.. this is useless and time consuming" fellow posters.

The primary assertion is reasonably easy to track down ..Soros claim to feel like a god and how reality and fantasy increasingly coincided.

Finding him at the string pulling end of a vast network of 'foundations' is also not that hard.. and to see what those networks are devoted to is pretty obvious.

Tides
Open Society Institute
Media Matters
and a host of others.

You only need look then at the people Soros has appointed to run them.... It is indeed there before our eyes.

One important point too..Soros was educated....guess where ? :) The Fabian London School of Economics. Hmmmm

These are networks Soros donates to.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1237

Please don't ask me to 'prove' this stuff.. I maintain however that any man with 'god' delusions is one we need to be concerned about, don't you?

I can see desperation creeping in, Boaz.

>>One important point too..Soros was educated....guess where ? :) The Fabian London School of Economics. Hmmmm<<

So was Mick Jagger. Let's have a look to see whether he also was intent on world domination.

Ah yes, here we go.

"Please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste. I've been around for a long, long year, stole many a man's soul and fate.
I stuck around St. Petersburg when I saw it was a time for a change, killed the Czar and his ministers.
I rode a tank, held a General's rank when the Blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank.
I watched with glee while your kings and queens fought for ten decades, for the Gods they made.
So if you meet me, have some courtesy, have some sympathy and some taste. Use all your well learned politics, or I'll lay your soul to waste" (Jagger/Richards)

Sounds like a perfectly straightforward confession to me.

And after all, he did attend the Fabian London School of Economics.

You and I can agree on this, though:

>>Please don't ask me to 'prove' this stuff<<

Even though it is "from his own mouth"...

Are you beginning to get the picture here, Boaz?

You are being led by the nose.

And as you know, when you are being led by the nose, you can't actually see where you are going.

Or even who is leading you, in fact.

Mind you, on the "LSE/World Domination" thing, you may have a point with Cherie Blair...

Dear Al I loved my father and he loved me. 10 days before he died the Lord told me he was going to die so I went to share Gods love with him. He told me never to use the name of Jesus in his presence again as he had made his choice and he was going to hell, and for me not to be concerned for his choice for it was his to make not mine. I asked " Don't you believe in God Dad", His reply was "of cause I do but I have made my choice". His beloved labor party destroyed his life work with inflation but his commitment to socialism held his heart true to that cause to the end. As he wasn't sick his death came as a shock to the rest of the family. We waste our precious seed feeding chooks that aren't hungry. The spiritually blind can not see. He who has an ear to hear let him hear. So then faith comes by hearing and my dad chose to receive Karl Marx words not Gods and his faith was in socialism.

Interesting Richie... the night my mum died I also had a "word" to that effect, so I know where you are coming from. Hope you are healing from the impact of Dad's decision. All is in God's hands mate.

Pericles, me led by the nose ? :) hardly. As a sidelight.. I notice my mate Beck is only now just catching up with me (and most informed Christians) *smile* on one important issue. ('Reversing Babel' in the EU H/Q Brussels....the Architecture says it all)

You might find this enlightening.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxLoQUnSTMQ "Global Financial Order"

OH... fyi..it's not Arjay speaking there..it's people with a bit more clout.

You might find this informative, but I don't have the time to sort out for you the specific bits which are 'over' speculative, you'll have to just read your Bible from cover to cover a few times to pick that up :)
http://www.inplainsite.org/html/european_union.html#Babel

I gave you 'proof' of my primary assertion "The man who would be god" by showing his own documented delusion. What more do you need?

Now the rest is just "interesting" stuff. How much weight one places on it all.. well.. individual choice. I will agree with one of your earlier points though, that Soros (this is in thinking like Arjay mode) is probably the recipient of some string pulling himself.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Thessalonians+2&version=NIV ....see verse 9

That's the joy of keeping tabs on your fevered imagination, Boaz. Every so often you come up with an absolute gem.

The "In Plain Sight" link is one of the funniest yet. (If this is what you consider "evidence", by the way, then you have in one bound, rocketed way past Arjay in the sheer-fantasy stakes.)

Here are my favourite bits:

"Another demonic biblical symbol that is being used in conjunction with the European Union is the one from Revelation 17 where a “great harlot” is depicted riding a beast."

And the sin? An updated depiction of "Europa and the Bull".

If you care to check, far from being a "great harlot", Europa was abducted by Zeus, pretty much against her will - at least, she had no idea that the friendly bull was Zeus in disguise until it was far too late.

Incidentally, Gustave Moreau's watercolour of the myth (you did know it is a myth, don't you?) is far raunchier than the cover of Der Spiegel...

What else do we have. Ah yes...

"Above the Tower of Babel were shown the eurostars, but inverted, as in witchcraft, with the central points downwards"

Since when, and on whose authority, are "inverted eurostars" a sign of witchcraft? And who, in the twentyfirst century, believes in witches anyway?

And I love the verdict on Schiller:

"The lyrics, by a man named Friedrich von Schiller, concern the entering of the shrine of a pagan goddess and the uniting of all men in brotherhood, by the power of magic"

Garbage. How can you reach that conclusion when the poet states, categorically...

"Brüder, über'm Sternenzelt muss ein lieber Vater wohnen"

"Brothers, above the canopy of stars a loving father must live"

and

"Und der Cherub steht vor Gott. Ihr stürzt nieder, Millionen? Ahndest du den Schoepfer, Welt?"

"And the Cherub stands before God. Do you bow down, you millions? Can you sense the Creator, you world?"

Pagan? Magic?

All sounds pretty religious to me.

Thanks for pointing it out, Boaz, it's made for a fun start to the day.

Dear Al,
Jesus dealt the sting from the scorpions tale the following sunday and I have never carried it.
regards Richie

Dear Pericles... you have commented on a lot of stuff in the links which I quite agree is colorful speculation. My providing of that info was not a 100% endorsement of it.

In fact you pointed out the very reason WHY I don't jump into that stuff like Arjay does to his 9/11 thing.

The speculation level is extremely high.

But you did make one important point..which I think escaped you.

//Europa was abducted by Zeus, pretty much against her will - at least, she had no idea that the friendly bull was Zeus in disguise until it was far too late.//

That my dear Perilous is EXACTLY how it is. "The rape of Europa"
Read what you like into that woman on a bull...but the myth is very interesting because in our view Europe is being raped from every direction possible and then some.

You need to distinguish between 'my views' and 'views I report for discussion'.

But.. glad I helped start your day with a laugh :)

RITCHIE.. God bless, -pray for me today, I'm at the Mind Body Spirit festival here.. surrounded by UNOWHO's minions and some of them can be a bit aggressive. We present the Gospel to anyone interested.
There is a lot of darkness out there, tragic adults who have never known even sunday school and are 'knowledge vacuums' when it comes to things of Christ.

It all depends, I suppose, on how your prejudices line up, Boaz.

>>That my dear Perilous is EXACTLY how it is. "The rape of Europa"
Read what you like into that woman on a bull...but the myth is very interesting because in our view Europe is being raped from every direction possible and then some.<<

It was "In Plain Sight" who "read into" the image, not I. They claimed that Europa was a “great harlot”.

You and I agree that the myth recounts that she was taken against her will. I hope that you don't assume, as some extremists do, because she was raped, she must by definition be a harlot?

And who is raping Europe, by the way?

From what I have seen and read, Ireland is suffering the necessary withdrawal pain from two decades of profligacy, and an over-reliance on borrowing to fuel property inflation. While Greece is trying to adjust to what most people consider a normal, productive work environment.

In between, we have the UK attempting to reverse the massive bloat that Gordon Brown built into the Public Service, and France making its usual fuss about having to work at all.

Oh, and the Germans are simply getting on with it, in their usual industrious fashion, bless 'em.

So the "Europe is being raped" view seems a touch far-fetched. Unless of course you consider that it is possible for rape to be self-inflicted. In which case you are right on the money.

Incidentally, when you say "our", as in "in our view", on whose behalf are you presenting the opinion?

I am intrigued particularly because you follow it up with:

>>You need to distinguish between 'my views' and 'views I report for discussion'.<<

I may need some help in separating the two, Boaz. For example, is it your own view that Europe is being raped? Or are you simply reporting it for discussion? In which case, who or what is your source?