Philo:”Those that prefer to explain the universe by one single process - evolution - have not explained the power of evolution to create chemicals to form matter or the beginning of life. Evolution is an assumed process and not a creative dynamic.”

You’d have to explain creative dynamic to me and all those little things like if there was no universe where did any creators come from and where are they hiding now.

Evolution is hardly to be described as a single process, it is an amazing and dynamic and omnipresent part of the process that every moment creates something new.

Shame that includes the aids virus mutating but evolution just is, not bad or good.

Nup, I don’t know how the universe started up. But no one does do they – big bang still the one topping the charts? I don’t think those that believe in a single god usually have one that claims to have done more than create this one planet

Philo,

<<Those that prefer to explain the universe by one single process - evolution - have not explained the power of evolution to create chemicals to form matter or the beginning of life.>>

That’s because they don’t have to. Evolution explains the diversity of life. Not the origins of life, and certainly not the origins of the universe.

Those who study abiogenesis, one the other hand, are getting very close to explaining the beginnings of life, and already have some degree.

Even if we hadn’t though, that doesn’t mean we just make something up.

It’s like I said on the other thread in which we are all awaiting mjpb’s evidence for god with baited breath (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3814&page=0)...

Attempting to answer the big questions by appealing to the supernatural doesn’t accomplish anything because it’s an attempt to solve a mystery by appealing to another mystery (something Catholics are very fond of). That’s not an explanation, it’s a gap-filler. It doesn’t solve a mystery, it obscures it in an attempt to ease our discomfort with the unknown.

<<Evolution is an assumed process and not a creative dynamic.>>

Considering your first sentence demonstrated clearly that you haven’t a clue about what evolution is to begin with, I don’t think you’re in much of a position to make such a call.

just had to share this..[it sounds so much..*like our beloved jinny]

During our childhood..we should be taught
the real lesson of life..and made to..*understand life..in its true sense.

..the real understanding,..and teach the people that
there is no death,..teach them..of the beautiful conditions on the other side of life..which are waiting..for every one..entitled to them,..

after they understand..the higher life,
the world*..would be different.

I lived..in a life of make-believe,..and we tried..to amuse humanity.

I am sorry for the girls..who fall into a life of sport.
They think they have a good time,..yes,..for a while.

But there is always some little voice..conscience..that bothers you,
no matter..how you try to kill it...[with lifes..dangerous..'pleasures']

Oh,..if I could only teach..the young girls,
tell them of the folly..of such a life!

If I could only teach them..to look up to the higher life,
and show them the truth of that life!

We should teach people..to live for others,..not for self.
We should teach the girls..the principles of life,..not falsehood.

One thing..that is very detrimental..to the world is drink and morphine-like addictions..be it to lust or pleasure.

As conditions such as they are..[offering a seemingly escape]..from lifes burdens/expectations..that..are now..as they..are driving the girls and boys to misery.

People condemn without acting,
and what do they gain?

They drive the young..to the depths,..because when the law*.forbids things,..*they want them,..and in some way..or another they get them.

They enjoy*..them more*..because they are forbidden.

There is also something else.
You know,..whiskey..and the other alcoholic drinks have
a thousand,..yes,..a million thoughts/feelings/burdens...[price/cost]..that go with them.

The cranks..concentrate their minds..on drink,
and condemn it,..and when sensitives get it,..they become wild.

possesed..by those deadly spirits..that amused those dead..in body and soul..then*..those asddicted..They become crazy..with all the thoughts that are sent..to those...under the in-fluence..with it.

It drives them..down and down.

Man should live..and learn of God's wonderful manifestations.
God is the Life of All,..but man is..like as the devil.

I do not mean man alone..when I say man,..but I mean humanity.

God gave us a free will,..but we misuse it.
[jinny would say spirit]

People should be taught..the true teachings of Christ

They say:..“Did not Christ make/wine?

[no he didnt..that parrable was about how people..NEED miracles
but mainly..the teaching of the handwash-jars...[without which..4000/5000..could not eat]

[thus did eat all..they wished...[ie they didnt wish to eat without the ritual[but his deciples didnt know..this...[ie re the shew bread]

And did He not give it to the people?”
NO..HE DID NOT..[rotted fruit juice..

is stil..rotten fruit juice]..give me new wine..[fruit-juice]

They do not understand that it was the Wine of Life.
Christ spoke about the spiritual.

The majority of people think he spoke of the material.
but he spake only of the way...to the father

Understand God right.[correctly]
Do not let us fear Him...He is not a man sitting on a throne,..but He is..the Spirit of All Life...Everything around us..is a part of this Divine Life.

Evil..has its place..just as the good has.
If we had no evil..we could not know/seek to do greater-good.

It is..*only from the experiences..we pass through..that we learn the lessons of life,..that we gain wisdom,..and I learn of the life everlasting..that lies before us ALL.

My salvation came in the spirit-world
when I found the truth,..because I had been*..through misery.

After I had gone through the fire of conscience,..I was purified.

I was anxious..to find the truth,..and after I found it*..there was no doubting.

I wanted..peace and harmony..and I was then ready for it.
You find gold..mainly..only..after it has gone through the fire of purification.

After my soul..had gone through the fire of conscience,
I found God..*within myself,..not on the outside.
Find God and be content within yourself.

Learn to understand..*yourself first..before you judge others,..then you will not judge.

Let us be friends to all,..do good*..to all,..and do good..whenever we can...Let us conquer self.

Whenever self rises within you..to torment you..and tries to make you give way to anger,..and you..give way to drinking..and all kinds of trouble,..say to yourself that you are not angry,..and that you will not give way..to things..that..bring us all...*down.

aj...will check-out the link in time
but lets look at the question logicly

how can i simply prove i egsist
or that you egsist

the simplest way for either of us is to put up our link to our posts page...and let our past writings..[past words]...speak for us

if this dosnt satisfy...how else to know god
but by his works...[he is the unseen..cause..of everything]

if that sounds too big...lets reply piper

who..or what created god...[ok?]
lets begin this with..what god does..[everything]

but mainly sustains life/via logic...sustained by the light
[note science..HAS NEVER CREATED LIFE]
all science has confirmed..is life comes from life

so called evolution..is ONLY within its genus
[not one change*..of genus*..has ever been recorded..by science]

shep bred sheep...pigeons breed pigeons...bacteria breed bacteria[virus makes other virus]..there is NOT ever been observed any not like its parent...[no lion has ever bred a whale]..EVER

the so called fossil evidence..has HUGE GAPS
besides it only COMPARES..looks like..with looks like
NO LINK TO ITS HERITAGE..IS ABLE TO BE PROVEN

[dna simply speaking isnt there to prove their theory]
but look at the so called tre..of life..its full of gaps too
[even with todays dna testing..they havnt proved*..the THEORY]

its all a working hypothesis
the best athiestic god replacement[guess]...
not able to be proved by science..wishfull thinking

as i have repeatedly proven
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11008&page=0
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2305&page=0
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3124&page=0
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=2411&page=0

more links at the links

but back to the light..him saying
let there be light...caused the big bang
[not sure if you noticed..but the light thing happens twice]
gen..1;3..making the heavens/hell.[gen..4-10...]eden[]

then the earth..in the firment of heaven..[universe..]
gen..13-19]...but..im drifting off-topic/here

thing is..*science claims..two bodies colided..[the membrane string-theory]...its likely..that satans-fall..came arround these times...

but anyhow..thats not...*this topic

I can’t believe I’m about to do this.

OUG,

<<aj...will check-out the link in time>>

Please don’t. The thread is quite tidy at the moment.

<<but lets look at the question logicly>>

Logically? This’ll be fun.

<<how can i simply prove i egsist
or that you egsist

the simplest way for either of us is to put up our link to our posts page...and let our past writings..[past words]...speak for us

if this dosnt satisfy...how else to know god
but by his works...[he is the unseen..cause..of everything]>>

So, because our writings prove that we (demonstrable beings that we know exist) exist, the universe proves that god (a not-yet-demonstrated, supernatural being that we don’t/can’t know exists) exists?

The difference between our writings and the universe is that there are laws of science that explain how matter and chemicals arrange themselves without the help of a god, whereas there are no laws of science that explain how letters arrange themselves to consistently make sense.

Well, most of the time anyway.

<<who..or what created god...[ok?]
lets begin this with..what god does..[everything]>>

Mere assertion.

What method do I have of determining that you haven’t just made this up?

<<[note science..HAS NEVER CREATED LIFE]>>

It’s getting pretty damn close to it and when it does, where’s that going to leave you? Theists will have to resort to claiming that it was god who put those chemicals there.

<<all science has confirmed..is life comes from life>>

Spot on. What it hasn’t done though, is prove that it’s impossible for life to come from non-life.

<<so called evolution..is ONLY within its genus>>

Then prove it by pointing out the mechanism that makes it impossible to for a genus to evolve into another (to use your ambiguous terminology), and explain exactly where that barrier is. How many features can change - and by how much - before the barrier is hit, and why?

The only difference between microevolution and macroevolution is time.

<<[not one change*..of genus*..has ever been recorded..by science]>>

Rubbish. There are hundreds of known changes. Knock yourself out... http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-transitional/part1a.html

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