This led into the House of Refuge proper.

“We found ourselves..in a kind of hospital-ward...There were no bedclothes..on the beds,..if so..I can call them,..and on these lay tiny..child-like..persons

Now the most extraordinary thing about it was..that the children who were..nearest the door*..through which we had entered..were by/far the most active*..and strong;..yet they were the smallest*.

As we moved..towards the opposite-end..of the dormitory,..where there was another door,..I noticed that..the children grew larger...progressivly..larger,..

but at the same time..they seemed more flabby,..dark,and indistinct.

“My guide said,..‘I will explain this difficulty to you.
These spirits..when in Hell..appeared tall/fixed..and strong.

The more evil they were..the stronger they appeared..to look.

Their spiritual-bodies..were*..made of evil..and darkness,
just as ours are..of goodness and light..

When,..however,they begin..to repent and come here,..the will to evil principle's..within them..grows weaker and weaker,..and as it does so the real spiritual-body..develops slowly.

“‘Thus at first..these rescued spirits grow..weaker and weaker,..and then they become..“as little children”..in very truth...as you clearly see

Once this has happened,..they are able to go on-to..the
school..where they begin to grow again,..[as they learn/love]..though often very slowly.’

“I asked,..‘But where do they get..this element of light..from which the spiritual body..develops’

“He replied,..‘Even in Hell..men retain some little/spark..of spiritual truth...They cannot help it,..for it is implanted..by God.

It is the Divine element..in all*,..which,however much it may be submerged,..can never*..be quite extinguished...Even in Hell..men learn..in spite of their evil-will.

Thus they learn..that death*..does not end life*;
although..often they have wished it did....

“‘Once they begin to grow better,..they grow weaker..initially,..and so Hell..becomes more and more hateful..to them...For in Hell the strongest..is he who is..most wicked..and the strongest/oppresses..and cruelly ill-treats..those who are weaker than he,..and there is no death*..to intervene’

“‘Is there pain,..then,in Hell?’..I inquired.
“‘Yes;..only it is mental..and spiritual suffering,..but to the souls there..it is as real*..as physical suffering is..on earth,..just as here..the earth on which we stand,..though immaterial to the physical world,..seems real and material to us.

Yes,..they suffer,..but no friendly-death..comes to end..the anguish of the wretched victims...“‘The old descriptions of Hell,though..to the modern world..they seem gross and materialistic,..in reality..were not so/very..inaccurate.

They were rough-hewn..and couched in materialistic language,..but much of..the apparent materialistic detail..is due to two facts:

firstly,..that to the spirit..these experiences seem..as materialistic ..as men’s do..to them;

secondly,..many of the finer distinctions..made by the spirits have failed-to..penetrate the medium’s brain,..whereas the more materialistic..obtained a ready reception.’

“I...‘Then there were mediums..long ago..through whom spirits/in Hell could send messages’

“‘Certainly...And,further,..at times men..who were still alive..have been able to visit..these realms when..their bodies were in a trance and carry back..some recollection..of what goes on here.

Dante is perhaps..the finest exponent of this kind of..revelation.’

These changes..took place..when he set to work to put it..into literary form...He had no misunderstanding/of..the facts immediately after he returned..to the normal state.’

“He ceased,..and we passed out of the room..into another.

“Here we found..the spirits just as they came in..from Hell.

Rescuers were constantly arriving,.bringing some poor unfortunate being with them...These they handed over to others,..who received them kindly,..reasoned with them,..and urged them to undergo..‘medical treatment.’

“It was not always easy..to persuade them to do this,..and even while I was there,..several went out of the House of Refuge..back to Hell.

Perfect freedom..is the law here,
and if a man Wishes to be foul,..foul he will be.
[let him..who would be decieved...be decieved]

AHH-men

pynch: thank you so much for YOUR kind words. We will always have our own beliefs in rights and wrongs. That in life, for yourself, is the only thing that matters. :) I am going through a lot of emotional torment. I know it is self-inflicted.. but somehow I cannot just stop caring. And i cannot forget. So the last few days I have been like a pogo stick, laugh, cry, in the matter of seconds.. I have been spending my days crying because I am stuck here.. BUt it is ok.. because I have already decided to stay and fight however tough it is going to be. I will wait till my matter gets brought up in the courts here. The I will make them realized how much damage they have done to my family and myself thanks to their judging brain-washed nature. I know.. I understand they are just doing their jobs, and that they don't know any better.

samsung: I am proud of you and your sense of achievement. Keep up the good work.

UOG: I chose this nickname when I was young after watching the sitcom. I am glad it made you smile. I hope you are ok. You are in my prayers. Thank you for sharing... :)

sharing is what we do here
anyhow i been thinking on suicide
here is what i got so far

based on words recorded..by a teacher..
in..[a course in miracles]
a guide book..to the spirit...

that can only be comprehended..fully...by spiritual thought..
realized into works

What is..the.."right"-way..to cope with suicide?

Sometimes those..contemplating suicide wonder,..is all this..is an illusion, ..thinking..what is the purpose..of our staying alive?

or..Why should we struggle..with this life..
that is not part of..the real world anyway?

What is the purpose..of any of this?

we can reply in many ways...but going to the basics...death is not dead..thus every death..is really suicide....For,..as Jesus explains,..

"No one can die..unless he chooses death"..(T.19.IV.C.1:4),..

and again later,.."No one dies..without his..own consent.

Nothing occurs..but represents..your wish,..made manifest

and nothing is omitted...but that..you choose"..(W.pI.152.1:4,5).

death..is a thought..in the mind..[that we thought.[seek]...to make real..but that choice..has nothing to do..with the body..(e.g., W.pI.163.1:1; W.pI.167.2:1,2,3)...

For the ego itself..has its origins..in an..illusory-thought of death..being an end...

when it is clearly...its a new beginning...
mearly loosing..the flesh-body...into its next..body-form

yet..the spirit..[life-energy]...lives on..
the mind..that thinks it ends...wastes much time...
on thinking of..nothing..based in..eternally true..fact

as..in the end..their mind..realises..it isnt dead...
so those dying...have only wasted...this physical...life's-gift...

that..we needed to do...
still needs to be done...!

and that is far easier...here..[than in the next realms]..
where the connection..with the problems...here...cannot be easilly be reconnected..nessitating much delay..in resolving issues..rightfully needing to be corrected..here/now...

jesus rightly said..let the dead..tend the dead...
because..'dead'..is an illusion..we chose to..buy into..

further we..grieving a..'loss'..
sustain..the dead-delusion..by grieving..

[grieve not..for me]

..1/thessalonians 4;13..'But it is..our desire,..brothers,..that you may be certain..about those..who are but sleeping.. so that you may have..no need..for sorrow,..as others have..who are without hope.'..

1/Thessalonians 5:6..So then,..let us not be..like others,.who sleep,..but let us..be alert..and self-controlled...love/works

many..are in error/based in fear..building delusion
that only compounds..the error..suicide occasioned..
or occasioned suicide..

error made..seem..to be..real

at a very real/level...god-gifts us all..eternal life..
now..and here-after...

to hold errant/thoughts..as real...

[dead..not truelly being,..'dead]..
self deciete..makes further error...

such as..by..being..'dead'..that we can escape..or cheat fate..or karma...or deney god...his gift..of love/life..to us all..

[even..the so-called..sleeping-dead]

the belief..that we can..attack/..reject..or return..God's..

gods..gifted life..in order to wrest..a separate..individual/ego/self..from Him....

is believing..error..as real

error..from adverse circumstance..or fate...such a thought represents..not only murder,..[premature end]..by the implied death..of God's gifts..[gifted..for eternity]..[et-earn-it-y]

but also..suicide..of the further gifts..we inevitable have earned...
nothing can bring on..or deviate...that we rightfully hold

the death of our..true Self..[as Christos/spirit]..within...us all.
And so..whatever follows..in the world of bodies..and human-behavior
resulting..

from this initial..insane thought..can be..no more real or sane...than so many other delusions..[such as judgment-day...or reserction-day..or god become man]

Because the right Course..always..asks us to focus..on content and purpose..rather than form..and appearance,..

all death in the world..that comes from an ego thought
will be viewed..in exactly the same light.

The ego’s purpose..in all death..is to prove that the separation..is real ..and that,..in the end,..God triumphs over us..by taking back..from us..the life..that we think/believe..we have stolen..from Him.

We can either resist..until we finally succumb to more powerful..external forces,..or we can resign ourselves..to our fate and yield to death..by our own hands...or the hand of other..

What form death..may come in..then does not matter..
for the content of error..is always the same..errors in thought;..

our puny materiality..;..painful-life..is ours..only for a limited time..before we inevitably must lose it....only..to go the next phase...the next stage...next..[meta-morphesis]..into the next life..the next..eternally

we would see..all death,..including suicide,..as no different in content,..but only in form,..means/way/progression..even regression...

some from delusions we made seem real..[others..by that..we deem as/by fate..every other choice we ever make..here..in the world..that is based..on our perception of ourselves..as separate and alone,..in pain,..vulnerable and victimized...

And yet we should know..that that perception is false,..

based as it is on a faulty premise about ourselves,..that we are this body,..trapped in a harsh,..cruel world,..not of our making,..desperately battling against insurmountable-odds..to find a little peace and happiness..in a hopeless situation

over-which..we think..we have no control...

[its so sad..its pathetic]

From most of the world’s perspective,..suicide has a stigma..and a negative moral judgment associated with it,..but that is simply part of the ego’s defense..which insists..that both life..as a separate self..and death..of that..'self'..are..real.

From the Course’s/perspective,..
the thought..behind suicide,..is..ego-based..

UOG: I already knew you were by what you wrote. You have given up hope. Hope and faith. Please read these:

"The beginning of a new day: in life, we always have a choice. We can choose, to live in our past. To let the hurt and pain influence our daily lives. We can choose to be truly happy, or we can choose to let others influence our lives. I choose to live my life, the way I believe is right for me, and not the way it is right for others. Not let what they say, they think, they do, influence my beliefs." -E.T.

"When we thank GOD, in our different religions, beliefs, cultures, languages, for the blessing we have receive, how many of us actually appreciate it? -E.T."

E.T.'s Quote: humans can be so deceitful, selfish when they want things for their own good it is so sad to see. This is where evolution has brought us. Deal with it..

"Decisions, decisions... before making a decision, we weigh our options, consider the consequences we have to live with. If u think u can't deal with the consequences of ur decision, then come up with another solution. -E.T."

"The consequences of my decision: Having met Dave, who has given up hope. He said:" Why do anything? What for?"
He is happy, he is positive, he is a good person, but he has lost hope due to personal circumstances...
Hope we must always have. We hope that it will get better, and it will get better. Do not lose yours, please! -E.T."

Hang in there...don't give up