ok jinny..thanks for your comments
[by the way...here in OZZZZ..
we have 8 hours work..[8 hours play...8 hours sleep]

in the spirit world the same..pro-portions are observed..

anyhow i done my leasure..and sleep..
thus now head back to work...great talking with you

the importance of form and fun-ction..
in our life we shall see/know..interact with many forms
in fact during our lives..we accumulate many memories{visulalisations]

it is these..that form the basis of our next reality
if we seen it/lived it..its because someone caused it..[thunk it first]

oh before i go there

samsung..i used your post as an egsample
in grayhams olo improvements topic

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11090&page=0

i tried to reason..[expand on]..what i thought you were trying to say

i think it was only meant to be a gentle-poke..
at me for..the preceeding post..that i admit was more messy than usual

[i should have edited out the bit about animals]
and the beginning with the music/referances
which...i used to get the energy to post

anyhow...researching your reply gave me some good info
even if only your tongue in my cheek

i will quote next time
thanks for your patience all

OH here is a bit..i cut out-of..my last reply to jinny

<<Please..hang in there...things change.. they always do>>..

oh jinny your a dear...you care for everyone...
im hanging in..i know things change...im just being me

<<I can help you..>>jinny you have been so kind allready..
you help in just being who you are...thanks for being you

<<please...look after yourself>>

i do jinny,..i look after me,then give the rest..to others...in the way i do/it...if thats not good enough..

its still all i have to give..[the left-overs]

<<Try to not look at everything..in a negative view.>>>

i dont judge positive/negative..things are as they are...i just re-act if things arnt as good..as they can be

[many people FEAR death..obsess about their fears..for no good reason..[my reason is..helping them..to end their fear's]

<<You need to get better..>>
i can only try..to do better

you cant..'get'..bet-ter...
i dont bet

love allways
johan

here is my P-leisure

lets move to the next realm...take the issue of clothing..[as egsample]...in this life..and the next

we have our memories..to help make their form..the only difference that thought-form created..clothing..[dosnt wear out]...in fact stays as clean..as the day we thunk them..into being

if we wish..other..'clothing'..its as easy as thinking new ones..

if we seek..any change..its as easy as thinking it..
[i know it..sounds insane]...now

so move on to..flowers...ie..gods/thought-forms
say someone picked..the spiritual flowers...
they remain..as god...thought them into being

even if one shredded one..to bits..the thought..that gave them their form/function..ensures..it would immediatly resume form..and function..

just as god intended

[side note...god creates flowers..as his reward...thus our spirit homes..are abounding with them..they remind us..of every good helpfull thought/deed..we ever did

there is more to it..of course...

to smell/hold look at the said flower..gives one a full complete reason..for its being...further they give energy/revitalise..those admiring or smelling them

anyhow..i have a further/quote..
[as clearly..no further questions..to reply are in mind]..

[after officer..emerged into..the twilight relm]

I gather..from the officer,..who arrived a short-time later..(it seemed/like a few days),that it took him..[he had had to cross a kind of stony desert..which mounted up to a..range of hills].

When he had climbed..to the crest of these,..he found they sloped down but slightly..towards a plain,..that plain was where we dwell.

“While crossing..this plain,.he was haunted
by the most awful visions..of his former evil-life,..similar to,..but far more intense..and terrible than,..those I saw and suffered from.

His/guide..came to him but rarely,..and though{to us}we seemed to have parted..from him but a..few days,as it were,..to him it seemed years.

The visions..haunt him..even as they do me,but far more fiercely,..and as yet..they are still in the nightmare-state..which I described as..assailing me..at first.

They have not yet sorted themselves out,..as they did for me...He has,therefore,..of course..not yet started going to school.

In short,..he is only just..in our realm.

“This now..enables you to understand..the spiritual condition..of the three persons..who are trying to communicate with you..from here.

I feel that you cannot..realize how intense..all these experiences are...For example,..the awful horror/..of that darkness..

Dear OUG,

I just dropped by to find a rich bounty of your postings. Always a delight to read. There is a real brilliance in what you write and the word play; multi level meanings and insights are very post-modern in style.

With due respect to Jinny (hiya Jinny) who seems a kind person; I hope you don't stop writing. I read your words with great interest. Not always agreement; but you provide wonderfully complex ideas that are a pleasure to ponder.

I sense your goodness; please don't change.

pynch

Hey Pynch, did ya read my brilliant contribution on page 20? OUG is my hero, and I'm even starting to write like him.

KEY-bit...{‘Here there is no standing still...You must progress either upwards..or downwards,..and this journey must*..be taken...

But fear not,.am I not with you?}

ok..now to put it..into context/QUOTE<<“My guide said,..’It is well{TIME}..that you should go to see..the work in the schools’<in hell}{in other words its temptation time/see..key note}

“Next moment..we were standing on..the bare rocky ground,{at hels margins}..as real..to us..as the earthworld is to you.

Again before us..rose that terrible wall/of darkness;..but there was this difference —..that at one place..a rough-track..seemed to be worn away..which led..into the darkness.

“‘How was it,’..I inquired,..‘that the officer..did not come out by this route?..It is far easier than the way by which he emerged.’

“‘The road..into Hell..is always easy,’..my guide replied,..‘the road..out of Hell..is always hard...This you should surely know.’

“‘Shall..we..have to climb..up that awful precipice?’

“‘No,..we go down into Hell,..but do not become..part of..Hell.
Hell..is a state,..not a place,..and thus,..though we perceive others..in that state,

and perceive..also the evil atmosphere..they draw around them,
we do not..ourselves..partake/of that state.

In this world,..where thoughts and forms..are as real as the physical is on the earth,..we can only..'feel'..the evil effects/of Hell..by becoming part of it...{joining into the delusions in it}

That,..unfortunately,..is possible.

Many-a soul..who has come here..with the desire
to do good..has fallen..and become a part of Hell,
just as on earth..men who go to work among the fallen,..alas!..may be led astray..by those whom they come to save.

If that should happen..to you,..then you would be unable to
return..by this road,..and would have to climb up..the precipice!

447 words..ok two posts

please no love...everything has its karmic balance

back to work

“I became afraid and cried,..‘Don’t go.
Let me not risk it...I am safe where I am.’

“But..he answered,..‘Here there is no standing still.
You must progress..either upwards..or downwards,
and this journey must be taken.

But fear not,..am I not with you?

Moreover,..spirits do not fall{far}..in this division..of Hell.
Here..the worst is past...It is when they go down to the lower divisions of Hell..that the danger arises’

“Thus encouraged,..we began to descend the path,
and the dread darkness..closed over us.

“For a moment I felt appalled,..but the firm grip..of my guide’s hand gave me strength and encouragement...Then I began to perceive that from him,..and to a lesser extent from me,..there flowed out..a kind of light..{god with-in...}

{only obsured..by the gross acumulations..of vile works staining..ALL our souls..}..which enabled us..to proceed along the path,..though
we{i}..were unable to see much..on either side at any distance.

“Suddenly we{i}..were aware..of a great building..set right across our path,..and we found..that the road we were walking upon..ran under a doorway into it.

There was no way round it,..for on either side I found..the walls of rock towered up and were absolutely unscaleable..{from either side}..this is a point WE must all pass by..to reach..the light}