Is this true, Gee Suss? Or did you just make it up on the spot?

>>Creationism... should not be in our schools and definitely not taught as science, as is being done.<<

"Is being done?"

If so, the school in question is breaking the rules.

National curriculum guidelines state that creationism has no place in science lessons.

Do you have evidence to the contrary?

Not that I can disclose specifically at this time, so on that basis I retract my statement. I cannot provide evidence at this point in time, so my comments are unfounded, your right on pointing that out Pericles.

But, as a taste of what's coming, Hugh Wilson from the Australian Secular Lobby discovered that some science teachers in public schools in Qld were being forced to teach Intelligent Design around April this year, and got this reply from Janice Chee, Acting Assistant Director, Senior Curriculum Resources Branch Queensland Studies Authority.

Note the 'however' :

"The QSA acknowledges the Australian Science Teachers Association’s position with respect to the topic stating that:

Scientific theories are subject to peer review and testing, and are modified on the basis of experimental evidence. The theory of evolution is the best scientific explanation for explaining the changes in life on earth. The theory will continue to be tested and discoveries incorporated in this explanation.

Intelligent design is not a scientific theory, but a belief system that maintains that the creation of the earth and its living elements are both explained by the intervention of an intelligent cause. Intelligent design may have a place in cultural and community studies but is not appropriately taught alongside scientific theories.

However, within the system of school-based assessment, schools develop courses of study that suit the needs of their cohorts of students. They are encouraged to draw on the resources of their communities and take into account the particular needs of their students. The direct delivery and assessment of a subject is the responsibility of the schooling sectors and their schools.

For Years 11 and 12 there are quality assurance processes in place that ensure schools meet the work program and assessment requirements for a subject. As long as schools meet these requirements, other activities offered lie with the school itself."

That sounds contradictory, Gee Suss.

>>I cannot provide evidence [of creationism being taught as science] at this point in time, so my comments are unfounded<<

But you then go on to say.

>>...some science teachers in public schools in Qld were being forced to teach Intelligent Design around April this year<<

You say you don't have evidence, then make this claim.

So are you making the claim without evidence?

Come on, this is serious stuff. If creationism is being introduced buy stealth into the science class, shout it from the rooftops. There are a number of people, I suspect, who would be quite angry about it. Including the government.

So, spit it out.

Who were forced to teach ID, and who were doing the forcing?

After all, it is clear that the QSA is on your side - let's have some naming and shaming.

I wouldn't put too much significance into the "however", by the way. It simply said that if your student body have "particular needs", then there are ways that you can fulfil them.

Only not, as previously emphasised and confirmed, in writing, in the science class.

"Hugh Wilson from the Australian Secular Lobby discovered that some science teachers in public schools in Qld were being forced to teach Intelligent Design around April this year"

Doesn't look as tho Gee Suss is making the claim at all Pericles, looks as tho he is referring to Hugh Wilson from the Secular Society who discovered this.

That information has been put out already BTW, hence why he is posting it I presume pretty much as it was announced, however there is other stuff happening in regard the subject from the folk I know as well, it would be stupid to post it to a public forum prematurely.

suss...define death..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death

Death is the termination..of the biological functions..that define a living organism....

you must realise all the eliments...for life are present...but when the life spirit...has gone..ya dead

spirit is unseen..ya dolt..just like electricity/radiation/wind are unseen...but observable..by their affect..the afect..of life is living...once spirit departs...death results by default..absence of life

spirit is energy..[energy cant be created..nor destroyed/..spirit even has weight..about 600 grams...according to researchers who weighed dying people...

you have no recognition..of the..nature/natural/..life force..yet see life..and wonder not..about the living good..sustaining all living their life...recall..god breathed..life..into dust/clay...

man puts a living sperm..into the dead egg..its the same thing...life sustainiung life..so how does science define life..

Life..(cf. biota]..is a characteristic..lol..that distinguishes objects..that have self-sustaining biological processes...lol

..from those that do not..either because such functions..have ceased (death),..or else because..they lack such functions...lol..and are classified as.."inanimate."

In biology,..the science of living organisms,.."life"..is the condition..lol..which distinguishes active organisms>>..[to wit spirit/animous...lol..<<from inorganic matter,..

..including the capacity for growth,..functional activity...>>..animous/autonimous.action..via reaction..<<and the continual change....>>

..preceeding no change/or rather decomposition..<<..preceding death>>>...absence of spirit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life

http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=gd&q=define+life%2Fdeath&hl=en-GB&rls=MEDA,MEDA:2008-36,MEDA:en-GB

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=MEDA%2CMEDA%3A2008-36%2CMEDA%3Aen-GB&q=define+spirit&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g4g-s1g5

Web definitions..for spirit...a...The vital principle..or animating force within living beings...b...Incorporeal consciousness.

2...The soul,..considered as departing..from the body of a person ...

What a load of bollocks OUG. You just assert there is a spirit. There's no evidence for this at all. Christians claim animals have no soul, how do you explain that and life then? derr

What exactly does a persons 'spirit' do OUG?

Personality is controlled by the frontal lobes of the brain. Damage to this area, changes someones personality. Phineas Gage is probably the most famous case that demonstrated this (look it up) demonstrating a change of personality. This has subsequently been proven in neuroscience (oooh science again OUG!)

When the brain stops functioning, your dead. Everything that defines you as you, is in the brain. When this is gone, you are gone. The brain defines 'who' you are, what you do, your ability of 'choice' over what is wrong and what is right, all your higher functions in fact are in the frontal lobes.

The 600grams is crap, there was one man years ago and reckoned 21g was lost when humans died and discounted all other possibilities. Other scientists just laugh at that, it was hardly scientific.

http://rationallyspeaking.blogspot.com/2007/03/does-soul-weigh-21-grams.html

What are you talking about the egg is dead? What sexist stupidity. Both sperm and eggs are live cells. Where did you get this crap?

Stop just posting definitions of what words mean which is just silly, and show us actual evidence for your claims, you can't even get the 'facts' you are putting forward correct. dead cells, what bollocks. Life is one continuous chain.

What a waste of time talking to religious people, just wild assertions and they hold scientists to task, whilst are blatantly hypocritical with their own crazy assertions.