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The Rise of Atheism - Convention

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Your an idiot OUG. Do you know how science works? I have tried explaining it, you just stick to your ignorance over and over?

Firstly I did not 'rebut one of my own'. I pointed out how since the material your posted, 13 more species were found. How is that 'rebutting one of my own' that's how science works. Your just cherry picking scientific work and saying 'see the information now is different' well that's the awesome thing about science, is it's improving every day. Its a progression toward answers, not a leap to a conclusion like you are giving with no evidence at all.

Where's your evidence OUG?

You start posting links about horses, just ending in LOL. can you explain what you are trying to say? Or you just linking to creationist stuff trying to justify the flood 6000 years ago as it mentions?

The closes I can get, is your picking a point that we can trace too 55 million years ago as the earliest fossil, and stating that's the start point. It a naming convenion OUG. get it? It places finds, and they move about all the time as more information comes in.

You seem to think not knowing where life started somehow proves your god exists, but that's a logical fallacy. Your making a claim a god did it, where is ANY evidence for this?

Come on OUG, you just claim it. You have nothing, and your pointing at gaps and saying your god is there.

classic god of the gaps.

Show us the evidence, you haven't show ANY at all. Nothing.
Posted by Gee Suss, Thursday, 29 October 2009 1:20:13 AM
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The belief in a God is ones own faith
If one wants to believe in such that is thier right to do so
Justification of ones faith should not be necessary as that is a personal thing
My father said before his death that no man can prove God exists no man can prove that God doesn't
If we live our life according to Gods rule and we get to the end of our life and there is no God big deal we have lived a good life
Then again if we live our life according to Gods rule and we get to the end of our life and there is a God then we may have bought a favour or two and if god is what OUG and others say he is then a favour or two in the hip pocket might be worth having
BUT it is ones own freedom of choice and that is a basic human right

Have a good life
From Dave
Posted by dwg, Thursday, 29 October 2009 6:30:21 AM
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DWG thats otherwise called Pascals Wager, and has a lot of inherent faults in the thinking. One is that there's over 38,000 deities, if you choose one, the others get pissed off, so your better off not doing so and trusting in just living your life based on using your reason and good judgment ;)

What's basically happening here, is the creationists point at science, and things that aren't known yet, and say it justifies their god because of that.

I'm waiting for OUG to actually provide evidence for this. He keeps stating it over and over, but without a shred of evidence that's all he is doing.

I weigh up evidence using reason and logic, until he provides evidence, his side of the argument is basically just assertion, nothing more.
Posted by Gee Suss, Thursday, 29 October 2009 8:29:16 AM
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OUG: << YOUR SIMPLY.... REPOSTING THE SAME GIBBERISH... >>

Now that's truly funny.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Thursday, 29 October 2009 10:00:52 AM
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Gee Suss
Look at what I said noone can prove God exists noone can prove he doesn't
You or anyone else are going to be stuck with the chicken and the egg yarn
I accept that of evolution and the whole show started with the big bang, but then we have the argument what caused the big bang
If you don't want to believe in God your free choice if OUG does his free choice me I take a middle stance my free choice, stop trying to confuse a fool to answer that which is unanswerable
Who is the greater fool he who asks a foolish question expecting an answer or the fool that tries to answer that foolish question
The only way to answer this whole show is to die and then come back and let us all know
I have faced the point of death but I still don't know one way or the other the funniest part of all is that most whether they believe or not at the point of near death it is funny how most scream "God help me" or similar
How abouit we just try to get along together and just live a good life

There are children suffering in this world while we are carrying on with this rot

Thanks all just try to have a good life with or without god
From Dave
Posted by dwg, Thursday, 29 October 2009 11:07:56 AM
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"Look at what I said noone can prove God exists noone can prove he doesn't "

DWG, the difference is in the balance of evidence, reason and logic, and the fact religion is pushing their belief as a truth, with no evidence. Science is putting forward evidence, religion just says it's claims are true, without any.

We were discussing evolution, because folk such as OUG want to teach it as truth in schools, indeed that is what is happening right now.

I pointed out exactly what evolution means, I am not stating that it is a complete round circle of total evidence, but a move toward it based on evidence, I have put forward how the evidence is so great with regards a common ancestor, that to deny it on the basis of the concept of a creator, is not balanced reason nor logic.

OUG cannot provide ANY evidence as to a creator being involved, and can only point at what science is still working on, as the reason a creator exists. This is a leap to a conclusion, based on no evidence whatsoever, whilst pointing at masses of evidence, and trying to state it is not complete, as being a form of 'science'. It's not.

I think it is really important that our schools and education, do not take the total lack of evidence, and the leap to a conclusion of an 'intelligent designer', and a christian one at that with all the conceptual ideas surrounding it (including the fact the earth is less than 10,000 years old) as warranting it be taught as science in our public schools, and that non-believers fund that in taxes.

You can't dis-prove that leprechauns exist. It does not automatically make it 'one side of a coin' and specificall science. The onus is on the claimant to prove their claim has validity.

Science is doing that by evidence, OUG thinks science is trying to use the gaps in mans knowledge, to insert his form of a supreme being.
Posted by Gee Suss, Thursday, 29 October 2009 11:29:22 AM
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