Because Christians believe Almighty God keeps his word, and is truly in a Covenant with us, for our benefit, the Magna Carta was enacted in 1297, but not wholly transcribed in New South Wales. It is wholly transcribed in Victoria, and by s 118 Constitution, is able to be cited anywhere in a Federal Court. It says:

Clause 29: No Freeman shall be taken, or imprisoned, or be disseised of his Freehold, or Liberties, or free Customs, or be outlawed, or exiled, or any otherwise destroyed; nor will we pass upon him, nor condemn him, but by lawful Judgment of his Peers, or by the Law of the Land. We will sell to no man, we will not deny or defer to any man either Justice or Right.

The word We twice in Clause 29, denotes the Royal Plural, Almighty God and Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, and the word Royal denotes the nexus between Almighty God and the Sovereign upon which all land titles are based. The Law of the Land referred to in Clause 29 was and remains Christianity, and is incorporated into the Australian Constitution by the inclusion of The Queen or Her Majesty, at least forty times in its text.

Freehold land has value, jury trial guaranteed that in all cases where its ownership came into dispute, and jury trial comes out of the New Testament. There were Judges in the Old Testament, but a blanket prohibition on judging in the New Testament. To get around that Biblical prohibition, the English Christians legislated to have twelve disciples of Jesus Christ form a court, with a Justice to preside, and take their verdict. Jury trial is a manifestation of the promise of Jesus Christ, to be where two or three are gathered together in His name: Matthew 18 :20 A Writ called a Christian meeting together in the Queens name.

In Luke 12 verse 10, Jesus Christ warns against blasphemy, which occurs when a Judge sits without a jury. The legislation creating Judges should be deeply offensive to all Bible believing Christians of all denominations

Rainier: << Is God Black? >>

That's what I thought too, when I first read the thread title :D

Might have been an interesting discussion...

G’Day Philo

What is commonsense atheism?

It is simply the practical management of our wellbeing and future, with the understanding that there isn’t any god figure that is going to help us out.

Ludwig. Its a little deeper than that. But not bad. Remember the baby boots. Mankind still has a long way to go, but it is working.

Sock.

Davidf, thanks for that reply regarding Judaism. I appreciate that, as I'm not familiar with it as I maybe should be.

Luddite (Ludwig) wrote, "Der gee Mahther" "God'th a bloody bloomin blithththtering dthrongo" "God's a bloody drongo" and finally "God's a bloomin drongo".

Poor ol' Ludditewig struggles sometimes.

Ahhh hahahaha. Another maththterpiethe of a potht Mathter!

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“baby boots”? Could you elaborate Sock. Thanks.

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OUG, there seems to be a contradiction in your last post:

“<<If god exists,then what..is he doing??>>...i can only tell you..that a builder..builds your house..[then lets you get on with furnishing/living in it...trusts..you will use it..as intended...

with god..think god as..the means..to give us life...then lets[trusts]..you..to chose..how to live it”

But then…

“[what me worry?..lol...i trust god to sort out anything bigger than i think i can handle myself...havnt had to yet...but..its nice to be able to not concern or worry”

You seem to be saying that god has built and furnished our world and then left us to get on with our own management and destiny. But then you say that you rely on god to sort out the problems that are too big for you (or for man overall?) to deal with.

We are obviously doing a very poor job at managing our future, and we haven’t done a particularly good job of managing our affairs at any time, with all the world’s conflicts and inequality.

So can I ask, which do you believe…. that it is up to man to sort out the mess that confronts him, of his own making, or should the faithful be appealing to god to sort it out?

There’s a very worrying aspect in your words, which I think is a major negative factor to religions worldwide, and that is the inclination to abdicate one’s responsibilities, concern or worry by trusting in their god figure to sort out their problems, rather than taking on the tasks themselves.

This sort of belief just leads to the continuation and escalation of big problems that people find hard to deal with. It effectively results in a blind eye being turned to them or in peoples’ energies being put into faith and prayer activities rather than into directly addressing the issues.