One thing I've found about atheism is that many of them are open to "movement" regarding their non belief in a deity. This is my personal experience over my 81 years on this planet regarding my conversations with non believers and my diverse readings on the subject.

However, I have found the fundamentalist god worshipers to be utterly inflexible regarding their beliefs; people like PtB and oug etc etc. They are absolutely convinced that only "THEY", and those who share exactly the same specific beliefs, know the "true" pathway to God. their mind boggling arrogance in this regard does a disservice to religious belief, and is historically a major factor in international conflict from thousands of years ago to the present time. If God really exists, I bet the arrogant and smug fundamentalists will "themselves" be judged harshly when they go through the Pearly Gates expecting an easy ride to Nirvana. I'm sure that horny old bloke in "that other place" will be welcoming them with open arms.

“What superior wisdom do commonsense atheists have above those you supose are still have primitive mind sets [?]”

Philo, the obvious 'superior' wisdom that I can envisage straight up is that they realise that it is man that has to fix his own mess, and that relying on god or spending any energy appealing to god, is not only a waste of time but is very strongly negative because it just allows the mess to get progressively worse through lack of remedial action or development of practical solutions.

‘What do you view as common sense? Going back to primitive living and allowing nature to take the lives of the weak?’

Not at all. The most commonsensical thing of all is to strive for a sustainable existence - to make sure that we are living within our means in an ongoing manner – to understand the relationship between the demand that humanity is exerting on its life-supporting resource base and to work towards modifying this demand in several ways – by population stabilisation, reduced profligacy and technological innovation, as well as shoring up the supply capability of resources that are potentially renewable but currently being exploited unsustainably. There are all sorts of other aspects of commonsense thinking and actions, but that is the most important stuff.

Mind you Philo, there is not a particularly strong relationship between atheism and commonsensical thinking. Few atheists are commonsense or sustainability-progressive people, while many people of various faiths are. A strong faith doesn’t necessarily have to prevent people from seeing what needs to be done and acting on it.

masters quote<<..god worshipers..utterly inflexible..;They are absolutely convinced..only.."THEY"..and those who share..exactly the same..specific beliefs,...mind boggling arrogance>>..feeling better now..master..lol

there is no doudt..many have gotten god..'wrong'..never the less..god has grace...except..if we deliberatly set out to injure others..[or deliberaty lead people from god..we cant really go far wrong..simply by loving others...no one has the exclusive franchise to love...and thats what god is...if zeal injures others..thats a different matter

i didnt reply ludwig..<<....we..haven’t done a particularly good job of managing our affairs..at any time,..with all the world’s conflicts and inequality>>.i agree..but,..we do the best with..what we have got to work with...

as jesus reveals..love goes a long way...[be we athiest or thiest..or..[im reminded agnostic..even zealot]

<<which../..you believe...that..it is up to man..to sort out the mess that confronts him,.of his own making,.or should the faithful be appealing to god..to sort it out?..>>if god fixed the mess,..to what learning..[growth]..we must learn to sort sheep from goats...tares from wheat..for ourselves

<<..There’s..the negative factor..to religions worldwide,..and that is the inclination to abdicate one’s responsibilities..concern or worry..by trusting in their god figure..to sort out their problems..rather than taking on the tasks themselves.>>i agree..if our children never learned to walk...we would be carrying them arround forever...if we didnt give them meat..they would look to suck their mothers milk for eternity

..<<..a blind eye being turned..to them..or in peoples’ energies being..put into faith and prayer..activities..rather than into directly addressing the issues..>>..many have gotten the prayer thing incorect...but who am i to judge...

used correctly...prayer is a device and reason..to forgive each others foolishnes and allow us to move on...or a way to visualise/verbalise..a way out of impossable situations..or a way of giving strength...or a way to realise the unseen..

prayer is no small thing...prayer isnt..'for god'...its for us/mankind..[and FOR..others]...god knows whats in our heart...but the comforts of prayer,..is not a thing to be valued lightly,..prayer is positive visualiastion..[amoung so many other things]...

for some..prayer is the only thing they have left...and it is a direct line to god...as long as..we treat it with the reverance and seriousness it deserves..its our greatest hope

No uog, I DIDN"T say that god worshipers were utterly inflexible etc etc etc.

I said that applied to "FUNDAMENTALIST" believers - - - - the fundamentalists are a MINORITY. The VAST, VAST majority of Christians and Muslims are not inflexible fundamentalists.

I've met MANY believers who are flexible, inquiring and open minded. My wife was one of them; my children are another example.

Ludditewig wrote, "that it is man who has to fix his own mess". Gee Luddy, I'm over 80 years old and vote Liberal and even I don't use THAT sort of antiquated language anymore - - - - women "DO" exist you know!

There are none so blind as those who will not see. There is overwhelming evidence that the Commonwealth was established as a Christian nation, and with Christian systems of government, that allowed all people of every faith to live in peace together. Since 1970, in New South Wales a small sect of atheists have taken over the Christian role, and abolished the Supreme Court and created a money making machine for themselves out of it.

The vast majority of people have common sense and the jury system acted as a distillery where this collective common sense was concentrated in the essence of the law as maxims. If enough juries decided similar cases in a similar way, a maxim was established that allowed a lawyer to predict with some certainty what would happen in a given set of circumstances. Juries are practically unbribable, and that is why Abe Saffron asked for them to be abolished and Rob Askin abolished them for him in 1970. How much money the Liberal Party was paid to do that will never be known. The SMH reported that Abe Saffron was paying Rob Askin $5000 cash a week in the 1960’s.

The spirit of the law was preserved when jury trial was the norm, and everyone knew they were entitled to a jury in all civil cases. Those of us who pray should pray that the seven Justices on the High Court, respond to the cry for justice from the people of Australia as Justices Kirby and Callinan did, and restore full jury trial to Australia following their pronouncements in the Pape decision on the 9th July 2009, on s 15A Acts Interpretation Act 1901 ( Cth).

It took the High Court three months to write, but the comments on s 15A are worth waiting for. If followed by the Federal Court this decision will give everyone a jury trial from now on. To fail to do so is to fail to apply s 79 Constitution. The problem with the High Court is that it is an exclusive club, and will not enforce Federal Statutes

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