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Is God back?

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Foxy, I wish it were not so but unfortunately "compassion, tolerance and inclusion" can mean radically different things to different people.

A Mullah or a Bishop may believe that a government should be "tolerant and inclusive" by adopting religious values within it's legislation - - - we all know, or should know, where that leads.

A convicted violent rapist, jailed for life, would probably like a government to show "compassion" and let him out of jail.

Unfortunately compassion, tolerance and inclusion (or one's version or interpretation of these traits) can be used for evil as well as good. Human nature cannot be explained simply - - - it's complexity is mind boggling.

The subject of how "ALL" people can live peacefully together requires a depth of knowledge that has so far eluded "ALL" humanity. The BEST we have managed so far is to "separate" ourselves into countries, territories, religions, races, status, cultures, sexes etc etc, the list is ENDLESS. We have sought peace via the method of associating with people who are MOST LIKE US. That method seeks to avoid immediate conflict.

It's a method that, while attempting to avoid immediate conflict, enables the participants to develop a lack of knowledge and understanding of others who are "different". This creates conflict when paths are crossed, and so the endless stream of aggression and violence continues even in these so called modern times.

So far, there simply is NO answer to how "ALL" people can live in peace together.

And there's also no shortage of people who "claim" to know the answers.
Posted by Master, Sunday, 5 July 2009 10:09:44 PM
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diversity Master.
compassion, tolerance, diversity and inclusion.
Posted by whistler, Sunday, 5 July 2009 10:30:39 PM
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its bothy funny..[and sad]..that men know there is a cause for everything...[yet definitivly accord our own egsistance to chance]...

im going to state loosly..[for illistrative purposes]..that over 100,000 lifeform-types encompas the known/animal realm...only one..uses the written word..[only one has concepts greater than itself..[only one can imagine a cause beyond itself]..only one can philosphise..or even invision abstract concepts

animals are clearly beasts,living and surviving...according to its own imediate[natural]..circumstances...that while men can conform to basic animal instincts..even the least of man..is yet far more than a beast...there are of course some men that see any-other men..[not of their imediate/inbred..family alliances as infiriour..[little more than beasts...

the honest reality is..that each of the races have their shinning lights..[as well as their more baser animalistic types]...every family its bl;ack-sheep/or its family fears/hopes/dreams and delusions

i feel sorry for those needing to revile..the general/standing of the humane of our species...needing god-less theories...to establish their racists favour/fervour..claiming science godheads/high-priests that weave their god-less theorum...what is their fear of a greater power than men

it is beyond dispute that there are greater..[and lesor,than the best or worst of the human-being]...we are well aware[mostly]..that there are realms beyond the human range of sight and sound...even the science godheads dare to speculate about black holes[wormholes/string theories and big bangs...concepts an animal would quite simply noyt comprehend

why you men fear a perfect living loving god,is for you to rationalise out[youyr quite content to fil the minds of your children with delusions such as satan clause[santa]...or the toothfairy[or easter bunny..[or the delusions of genus evolutions...but definitivly ridicule the egsistance of the higher power...

fixating upon your own children..the limitations listed abouve..infuring them to be no more[or less]..than a beast...yet creating these faulse god-heads..that create a spiriour minded..spoilt child...thinking themselves god's..

dare to realise something greater than thou/self..[gungadin]...its time you got off your high-horse and on ya knees..or at least realise the self/truth of the brutish beasts..you thus claim to be
Posted by one under god, Sunday, 5 July 2009 11:19:59 PM
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Dear Peter,

You stated "Various individuals then did their best to get Job to denounce Almighty God, and curse him to his face."

From my reading of Job there was only one individual who said he should curse God and that was his wife and one would have thought she had every right to do so.

Job is an exploration of the limits of God especially the moral ones. If you would like to read it again I think you will find some great litrature including quite startling poetry. You will also find some deep questions about the nature of God and humans.

You also stated "Finally when it is clear Job loves God almost more than life itself, because his life is no longer worth living, God restores him to all his wealth and power."

That is not how the story goes. By the end Job instead challenges God forcibly saying that a human wouldn't treat a man the way God was treating Job. The restoration of all his wealth and power is the closest thing to an apology from God that Job could hope for.

God was found to be sorely wanting in his actions toward Job and ultimately appears less righteous than Job. But one gets the sense that Job accepts God for who he is rather than whom he would like him to be.

Luckily many Australians are nonaccepting of either.

It is a very confronting book and I often have cause to wonder how it made it into the Hebrew Bible.
Posted by csteele, Sunday, 5 July 2009 11:43:46 PM
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God and the State were one and the same in Rome, Russia and in China. They are the same in Australia while Judges and Magistrates who under Our Constitution are supposed to separate Church and State continue to exercise arbitrary power in the name of the State. Pagans, Atheists and Agnostics who do not understand the concept of collective government, have not finished their education by understanding what exactly the Holy Bible in two Testaments is trying to teach us.

Arbitrary was the word used in the Habeas Corpus Act 1640 16 Charles 1 Ch X. to describe what went on in the Star Chamber. Arbitrary is the word used in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights in Article 17. It says: No one shall be subjected to arbitrary or unlawful interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, not to unlawful attacks on his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such attacks. Not in Australia in 2009 we don’t.

How long must we tolerate government by the Liberal Party. We voted them out on Nov 24 2007, but they still govern through their arbitrary Judges and Magistrates who daily attack the reputation and honor, homes and families, throughout Australia.

Arbitrary is used in the Habeas Corpus Act, in the Imperial Acts Application Act 1980 ( Vic) on page 9, and for asmuch as all matters examinable or determinable before the said judges…..have by experience been found to be an intolerable burthen to the subjects and a means to introduce an arbitrary power and government:

God taught the separation of powers in John 5 Verses 22 and 23. Every Church attending Christian knows God is his maker and his judge. God got well and truly sick and tired of wannabees. The Romans had a whole paddock full of gods. As a Pagan Nation, we have every State creating its own God impersonators. The Parliament of the Commonwealth has fixed it, but the little tin gods of the State will not accept Parliamentary authority. Its Time, remember that slogan
Posted by Peter the Believer, Monday, 6 July 2009 9:43:11 AM
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Dear Master,

Thank You for responding to my post.
There's a lot of food for thought in what
you've said - and I for one certainly
don't have all the answers. I've been
accused by people in the past - of looking
at things through 'rose-coloured,' glasses,
and of being naive. However, I believe that
the antidote to what is fundamentally wrong
is the cultivation of what is fundamentally
right. Ultimately, the choice to 'Do unto
others...' is the only choice that I can see
for a survivable future.

Every time we open our hearts, we create a
space for a global alternative. Of course
I realize that as you point out - each of
us - has our own understanding of things -
and we view things from our own perspective -
which is influenced by our culture, education,
bliefs, and so on. However, we need to find
a common ground - because I fear that the
world can become so obsessed with the problems
of hatred and aggression, that it will allow
peace and love to be regarded as soft and
weak.

Yet our survival depends on their dominance.

Take care.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 6 July 2009 11:25:41 AM
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