I like that Bazz do you think faxs transmit DNA or do you think the one Turnbull and Hockey got from Grech may have been the first pre transmittion fax?
Rest easy Turnbull has no intention of letting us know the whole truth.
He puts many questions and answers few

This ute debarcle has to easily be, without doubt, the most utterly boring piece of political BS and spin I have ever had the misfortune to have to hear and see day after day. Who cares? For God's sake talk about something worthwhile like; 'hello' running the country!

That word, HELLO, signals to me the person useing it has nothing to say worth listening to.
In this case says in headlines I do not understand the issue.
Shouts it is all too hard for me change the channel cartoons are on.
Yes its child like ,its boring, its not what we elect them to do.
Its gutter tactics, unparlimentry, idoitic much more.
But its all happening , in our head office our government.
Do we turn our backs?
Do we see whats on TV?
Or do we seek to understand the issues?
I want to know why we saw the senate crippled by independent senator who seems lost.
A man who needs to chain his dog up , if it leaves home the average IQ in his house may drop 20 points.
I need to know why Turnbulls team, the ones saying the senate inquiry would not allow Grech to talk will not allow that day to be investigated.
I want to know why Turnbulls crew did not wish to debate climate change, why they think uninvited migrants should pay to be imprisoned, even if we have got much from this ?
I care about my countrys future, want my party to be better, think in honest unbiased ways at worst Rudd should park the old rusty bucket back in its owners shed.
But that EVERY member of the house should not take such favors.
Swan has little to answer for no cash changed hands lets be honest would you ring on behalf of a mate?
Would it be wrong? shadow minist why will you not answer, are you being honest?
can any of us execpt lies instead of policys.
Why post in a thread you dislike, is it another way to insult free speech.
Would you post if Turnbull had won the fight rather than got into the wrong ring?
He is not born to rule he defames his own party by his actions.
the thought we should not closely look at issues like this, hold both sides accountable for their actions is mentally lazy behavior

Transcript of a telephone conversation leaked by an insider :

SWAN: Bel-ly, Bel-ly, Bel-ly, hoooow ya going old mate?---Wayne Swan here.
BELLY: Swannnnny… is that reeeally you? (Belly does a sign-of-the-cross & genuflects to the phone).
SWAN: Yes, it’s me …leastways… it feels like me ( he takes his hand out of his trousers pocket… and his eyes uncross).Belly the party’s been following your advocacy on OLO… won-der-ful job mate! The party has asked me to come up something to show our appreciation.
BELLY: Shucks Swanny! that’s not necessary …I’d sell my house & dog (Belly chuckles to himself) and, even my clapped-out old ute to …
SWAN: (cutting in) Belly! did you say ‘old ute’ ? act-ual-ly mate…(he looks around to ensure no ones listening, then cups his hand to the mouth piece & whispers ) have I got a deal for you, I have this mate…

"That crime is refusal to let an elected government govern."

Belly did you oppose Labor whenever they went against the previous government? If it's a crime to not let an elected government govern then you should have.

I'm of the view that a government should be allowed to run with any policies which were clearly put to the electorate before or during an election (GST was, workchoices was not) but that any measures which were not put to the electorate or where the implementation is substantially different the opposition/minor parties should be able to oppose to their hearts content.

It gets trickier when their are major situational changes after the election. The GFC was not in full swing when Labor was elected federally so I expect Labor to be able to implement major items that were not part of the election platform. There is a balance in that, the electorate has not had a chance to vote on who the direction the government is taking us, both parties when to the election promising fiscally conservative policies, low debt etc. That may not be the best solution right now but it should be kept in mind that was the position which was put to voters.

Very little has really changed in Qld since the state election so the massive shift in policy here can quite legitimately be challenged.

R0bert

Ahhh Belly, I will indeed answer your questions;
>Why has Turnbull hinted he may not fully cooperate with the federal police inquiry?

You do not listen to what is said closely enough.
He said he would give the police all the co-operation they needed to
in their investigation into the dud email.
That does not mean they can trawl through all other documents.
Parliamentary privilege is more important than this email.

>What is wrong with a local business man going to a Rudd benefit in
>2002? Or buying an item there?
Absolutely not, no one said they should not.

>To most, yes most voters understand now, the continuing insults from
>Turnbull,s gang is a smoke screen.

For what ?

>I like that Bazz do you think faxs transmit DNA or do you think the
>one Turnbull and Hockey got from Grech may have been the first
>pretransmittion fax?

Belly, have a look on your preferences or whatever on your email
program and there is an option to display all headers.
There is very much more expanded headers than just to and from.
They display routing information and that is probably how the police
know that the email is a forgery and exactly what terminal in
treasury dept it was sent from.
Knowing that info the police could dust the terminal for fingerprints
and look for DNA from the users breath and fingers.
So it was not such a silly remark from me was it ?

As I said some one was probably using the terminal for days before the
police were involved so it would be too late now.
I can't imagine anyone would be stupid enough to use their own terminal.