Gday shadow minister, I see you are in the forum as I post this.
May I ask you to highlight, well inform me, just what government contract did Mr utegate get?
Your answer s much awaited regards

I am not going to get that answer am I?
Future readers of this thread [ it maybe be in ten years] may find reason to share my concerns.
It seems apparent no contract at all has been won by the Queensland care dealer mentioned.
He gained nothing not one cent.
And polling shows 70% support for Rudd.
Worth noting, Turnbull has indeed sought refuge from his own storm, in Afghanistan!
Wonder if he met any future boat people coming in the opposite direction.
As I said up the thread policy's far out number the benefits of lies and mud throwing.
And yes, already conservatives are working to pass legislation next month, after all at any cost, they must avoid an election.
The senate enquiry we will not have is not just a shame, its scandalise!
But while the unwise poor lost sole Fielding can be blamed we should remember only because the conservatives, the party calling on Rudd for full disclosure, in the end did not want just that.
Look back at some posts in this thread.
I stand by my every one.
Some? no way they can say those few words, I was had, I got it wrong, but I said it for them up the page.
Politics is far too important to let script writers point us in ways that are not true.

Belly, you have missed the point.
The request by Swan to have the request for a line of credit be put
to Ford Finance at the meeting where Ford Finance was asking for
a line of credit for $550 million is what is improper.

What was Ford supposed to think ?
Obviously they had better agree and ring straight after the meeting so
that when they check, Grant can say yes, Ford rang me.

Thats what is improper about it and that is what Swan lied about.

Bazz we have been here before it is you ,twice now who have missed the point.
I am fully aware of the charges and we both should know, well I do, Ford like Holden if they got the money would have used it to make profit.
And lend to ANY car yard.
I do not believe Swan did anything wrong.
my last few posts as I Reminded you earlyer, are a request for shadow minister to prove he/she told the truth, doubtful I will get an answer.

Then Belly mate, why can't you see the impropriety of what happened ?

Bazz lets be frank, lets be honest totally me first ok?
While my last few are aimed at shadow minister, getting him to prove or remove an untrue statement.
Now back to Swan, he in putting that blokes name up acted unwisely, No in my view dishonestly.
And much in the fashion of Aussie mateship, something I do every day, using my influence to help a mate.
No have Fax's sent to his home is no crime no favour its just as I work.
I send work related e mails at 3 or 4 am in the morning, even onSundays.
Not a cent changed hands, tell me true mate, if you fronted your MP would it be wrong if he acted for you?
Do you think you could find one member on any side who has not helped such people?
Would your member be a good one not to act?
see the polls, understand we yet do not know just how much the e mail man leaked to your mob, and for how long.
I truly honestly think unwise is all Swan has to face.
Turnbull? I share his party's view he went far over board he acted far worse than unwisely he killed his own career in politics.
Look at the conservatives, it is in the best interests this country that they get their acts together.
ABBOTT? they say he will lead? no way!
It has to be the Rude Dude Hockey and soon.
no clap trap I think massively the wrong lays on your side of the house.
Now not just to show I am honest but because it must be said the sacking of that Hunter valley goose the ex minister for defence raised to average IQ front bench ten points.
Focus on him, fertile ground you can not plow concrete.