Thanks Celivia for your warm welcome.

I have mentioned my Leader as "Jesus Christ"; I haven't talked about any Church Leader.

I assume you know about Jesus and His attitude towards Animals * His Creatures.

You prefer a secular state.. so am I coz Jesus said:

" Give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's; and to God what is God's "

Jesus also said : " My Kingdom is not of this world."
We, His disciples are travellers/tourists on this earth.

I can help you in your campaign.

1) I extend my full co-operation but I can speak for myself and not for others/church.

2) Again, I am not involved in any form of animal cruelty nor will I.

3) I think human life should be given a priority over animal life, but that's my opinion

Celivia, Spare a minute and have a glimpse of the following images which protray My Leader's attitude towards Animals and tell me what you think of them. Thank you.

http://www.childoflight.org/lamb1B.gif

http://www.shepherdstrust.org/images/jesus-shepherd.jpg

http://biblia.com/jesusart/jesus-shepherd-13.jpg

http://www.alqoshforjesus.com/AlqushforJesus/Images/jesus3shepherd.jpg

Yabby

The Topic Is about Church Leaders . Not Live exports.

This includes Amandas pigs Poultry etc. You are trying to confuse people reading these posts, simply because your PRO live exports and as I found when I spoke to you without ANY concern for Animal welfare.

However JOBS in Queensland.

Do you even know Brad? Have you ever spoken to him or his brother?

I have. Just For The Record They Dont Think HKM is so dumb either.

Heard of price Fixing? Heard of trade dollar. That plant closes down regularly. It will as it does re open again.
The national Party are traitors to the farmers flooding the country with cheap imports.
Without any training! being done in the last ten years we are short of skilled workers and abattoirs and plants are just one of them.
All the more! reason to support the HKM co-joint venture to ensure staff ARE trained and empoyment continues. The best way to do that is by value adding.

Data shows that direct and indirect economic linkage of meat processing embrace a wide range of sectors including transport, wholesale trade, energy, packaging and paper, other feedlot products, plastic products, mechanical and other repairs, banking and financial services, communication, business services, public administration, health and other services.

The capacity of a meat processing plant such as XXXX XXXX to directly employ hundreds of people and subsequently to generate a complex, wide reaching economic web that

a, creates more jobs, services and local infrastructure in the surroundng community

b, is of enormous importance to regional Australia where unemployment and loss of services are all too familiar causes for community concern.

A recent report estimates the total cost of the live export trade to Australia could be around $1.7 billion in lost GDP, around $280 in household income and around 12,000 jobs. Perhaps Russel Carr, the Queensland AMIEU director describes most succinctly the economic absurdity of exporting Australian animals alive.
"By exporting live cattle we are exporting our resources in their least valuable form"

This Government has failed to train anybody especially in abattoirs.

RObert, for your interest, just letting you know that Freeranger was also discussing this on the Animal Welfare link: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=18

Wendy, it would be fantastic if you could list those brands! I have just asked freeranger a question about that on the above (Scout's) link.

Wendy, hope you don't mind but would you like to post this brand list in Scout's animal welfare discussion please- just a bit handier because people were/are already discussing this topic there (e.g. Freeranger who works on a definition of 'free-range').
I happened to just have asked freeranger about a certain brand, so it would connect perfectly to have this list there :)rather than the exact topic overlapping in two different discussions.
Thanks :)

Wendy, you mentioned live exports, so I did.

Meat plants train their own staff in WA. Its not rocket
science. Fact is, people want more cushy jobs these days,
thats the reality. Even in Queensland it seems now,
as the head of a major plant has publicly announced.

The Hassal and Ass report on the live trade that
I had posted a link to, shows a 1.8 billion$ gain,
plus 13'000 jobs, from the live trade, due to the
higher values. Alone in WA, farmers would lose 100 million$
a year, if the trade ended. Your misinformation would be
taking money from the table of their families, if live exports
were banned in WA.

I'll telll you what. You do your little experiments over there
in Queensland and when you get some real results on the table
for all to see, we'll take notice.

Meantime leave WA out of your crazy calls, along with Peta
and the rest. Its pure nonsense.

Michael4Love
Good thing, that you regard Jesus Christ as your leader rather than a leader from a church. I believe that your Leader is a more loving leader than most of the leaders of organised religions or churches. Even though I am not religious, I can see why Christians love Jesus.

Thank you for those beautiful, heart-warming pictures of the cute lambs. You seem to know a lot about the words of Jesus Christ. A shame that church leaders are not listening to him more.

Can I ask you a question that might be a bit hard to anwer, so if you can’t answer it, I understand.
Do you think (hypothetically) that with all your belief and faith in Jesus Christ which you obviously have, if you were to be the leader of a church, that you would give attention to animal welfare/cruelty issues or would you be like the church leaders we know and ignore it?

You say that you value human life over animal life, and I do too in almost all cases.
There are certain circumstances in where I’d value animal life more than a person’s life though.
If I *had* to choose (hypotetically) between say my cat and my son, of course I’d chose my son over my cat.
But that is not to say that I wouldn’t do anything in my power to try to protect my cat from cruelty. Churches shuld do the same, they can value human life and still protect animal life.
But...
In the case in where I would have to choose between say, a ruthless, barbaric animal torturer or child molester/murderer and my cat, then I’d save my cat.

I’d still chose a quick death for that person, not a cruel death. I'm not into cruelty at all.
So I’d say it’s pretty relative where my values lay.

Yabby, Wendy is right- it gets a bit confusing to jump from one thread to another with the exact same topic. People who only read one thread are missing information on another thread which can lead to misunderstandings.