GrahamY, welcome,good to have you discuss this issue- the more Christians the better! The discussion is about the lack of interest from Christian leaders to address the issue of animal abuse.
Nobody is saying that Christians generally do abuse animals. Christians and non-christians are probably not all that different in their behaviour towards animals. Agreed on that one.

Why would I attack the Christian church?
Have you read all the above posts? Read all the posts first and you’ll know why!
Are you aware that the church doesn’t care to include animal welfare on their agenda?
Perhaps that’s because your church leader (if you go to church) omits talking about that ;) Christians who go to church and know about animal abuse should pressure their leaders to place animal welfare on the agenda.
The 2 UK links you provide are not evidence that churches in Australia include animal welfare on their agenda. Did you read what Wendy said about ALL her letters (thousands) to churches?

You are right to say that there are many parables around caring animal husbandry- but look at what reality shows us! Animal torture, live-exports and the church never speaks out against that.
I’m not saying that churches are stating that animal cruelty is OK; but they do not protest!

Shame on our church leaders that they completely ignore the issue while you and Michael4Love have made it clear that Jesus at least, did show love and care for animals. Why ignore Jesus words and actions?

“...someone who was only cruel to animals could not genuinely subscribe to Christianity.”
Oh please!
This is a catch 2 kind of argument! To give you an example:
Christians do not abuse kids.
All Priests are Christians.
Priests who abuse kids are Christians.
But hey! Stop! They couldn’t really be genuine Christians if they did this, could they?
Real Christians wouldn’t abuse kids!
This priest could not have been a real Christian.
Therefore, Christians do not abuse kids.
Christians do not abuse kids. YAY! Phew.
This reasoning does not make sense- well, at least not to me.

GrahamY
Welcome to the forum. Do you know that song telephone! to Glory?

I am trying to get some TV adds for before the elections running with footage from 60 minutes of live Exports.
We are addressing it to Steve Fielding and Howard, Beazley.
Can you Help.

The fact that your googles search shows a few! good men tells a sad story.
We do work with a few churches yes.
Thank god.

Think about how many Churches there are and how many speak out against animal cruelty or include it in their bible study for children.?
You would be aware that 60 minutes did five seperate segmants on just live exports surley. Heard any bells ringing? Church or otherwise? I didnt.
Here many members of churches fronting up to the church leaders I Didnt.

Did you see the footage of pigs kept in cages where they cant even turn SCREAMING! Hanging onto a biting the bars being
driven MAD.

See the footage of the EYES of Gods creatures being torn out while alive by people in other countries ? God has given us a gift.

He has delivered unto us the first political Christian party into politics.
We intend to SHAME Steve Fielding into standing up for gods creatures.
There will be NO stone unturned. No safe passage in a book to hide.
If Steve Fielding does not think that a political matter that has reached extreme heights is not enough to act WE will act for him.

There wont be a place left for the churches to hide I can Promise. We will stand outside every Church In this country!

Fancy Church Leaders being SO scared of loosing a few Government Grants they WONT stand up for gods Creatures.

We are not going on about nothing. What is happening behind closed doors of intensive farming and life exports iS A SIN IN THE EYES OF GOD and any decent person.

Please speak to your Church Leader
with a view to form animal education classes I will supply all information internet and footage free.
So whats your! excuse Now?

It is really important People understand Celivia did not put this forum together to protest eating meat.
Her work like Scout Is to draw to the attention of all church Groups Christians and just people in general that we need to fix the mass cruelty that these animals are suffering under.

We need to insist feed lots are changed to creek lots.
We need as much support for the farmers who do the right thing and throw the book at the others.
We need The churches and the Australian Public To Realise that the farmers are being pushed out of farming by the corps intensive lot who are only i it for the trade dollar benefit and the shiiping agents.
We need to know that the meat industry is very corupt,
We need to look at ways of getting the farmers more money than the live exports offers.
We need to encourage our farmers to do business direct with overseas purchaers of meat.

There are MANY overseas people interested.

We need to tell the Government that this needs their full support.

To understand why the Government and those who live off this vile Trade are against such a move is clear.[political donations]

look At Amanda vanstones piggery . Thats just one. Remember our laws are so slack these barbaric places are! legal.

Lets talk about the RSPCA and who they really work for soon.
Whos behind the Vaile at top office?
Lets take a close look at A Blind Eye
Dont Forget Leo
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Wendy Lewthwaite,

http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/article/0,13673,501020729-322673,00.html

Killing for 'Mother' Kali
It was at most a fringe practice, but a spate of ritual killings in India shows that human sacrifice lives

Then chanting mantras to the "mother" goddess Kali, he sawed off Manju's hands, breasts and left foot, placing the body parts in front of a photograph of a blood-soaked Kali idol. Police say the arcs of blood on the walls suggest Manju bled to death in minutes.

Human sacrifice has always been an anomaly in India. Even 200 years ago, when a boy was killed every day at a Kali temple in Calcutta, blood cults were at odds with a benign Hindu spiritualism that celebrates abstinence and vegetarianism. But Kali is different. A ferocious slayer of evil in Hindu mythology, the goddess is said to have an insatiable appetite for blood. With the law on killing people more strictly enforced today, ersatz substitutes now stand in for humans when sacrifice is required. Most Kali temples have settled on large pumpkins to represent a human body; other followers slit the throats of two-meter-tall human effigies made of flour, or of animals such as goats.

I've seen some offerings of goats, that's gruesome. I can't stop those rituals. And If I ask like Celivia, where in the hell are hindus?..

Should have known it was a waste of time putting my hand up. Celivia, if priests abuse children they are not acting in a Christian way. You're the one with the logical problem. No Christian would accept child abuse as acceptable behaviour.

And I don't know why you would expect all the Churches to be on the frontlines with you on your crusade. Churches generally don't get involved in social crusades like that, but Christians do. It's the church's primary role to teach and convert individuals, and it is the individuals' role to act in accordance with that teaching.

So I'm sure you will find plenty of Chrisitians involved in your campaigns and the church will have done its job.

If you want to blame organisations for not getting involved in the animal welfare issues, why don't you pick on those organisations whose role it is to get involved in issues - political parties?

GrahamY

This thread started as an observation of the lack of religious participation in the animal welfare threads. Very few offer opinions on these threads. celivia and I were asking why.

Christianity is the largest religion in Australia, ergot the largest group of religious posters on OLO are Christian. We weren't deliberately singling out Christians. It is simply a matter of percentage, given the number of Christian posters on OLO - why so few on threads concerning animals?

We have been asking for assistance from religious posters. Thus far we have received images of fluffy lambs, bible quotes, explanations as to why animal welfare is not a church responsibility but is an individual Christian's respsonsibility (if I understand your post correctly) and finally that if Christians aren't concerned about animal welfare then they aren't true Christians. Which is the usual excuse given when Christians behave unfairly towards others. This excuse encompasses a huge group of people. For example George Pell only considers Christians as being of importance and tends to disparage people who hold other beliefs. He is not a Christian?

Kind of getting into 'when is a Christian not a Christian'? When other Christians disapprove? Or when non-Christians point out that ignoring and not taking action about animal suffering is uncharitable (charity being one of those virtues that Christians claim exclusively as their own).

Many Christians have demanded that Muslim leaders speak out against terrorism, well all we are doing is asking that Christian Leaders speak out against animal cruelty. Same glove, different hand.