Hi Benny,

"The Greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. Vivisection is the blackest of all the black crimes that man is at present committing against God and His fair creation. If ill becomes us to invoke in our daily prayers the blessings of God, the Compassionate , if we in turn will not practice elementary compassion towards our fellow creatures"

Good Quote.

" A man who is kind benefits himself, but a cruel man hurts himself. " Proverbs

" Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people. " Proverbs 14:34

A person who is kind in heart, who has the 'kind' spirit of The Gentle Christ, will be automatically 'kind' towards humans & animals

I visited India (kolkata), where millions of goats (along with human babies) are slaughtered for goddess khali; there were games that involve animal torture during festivals.

http://shakti.trincoll.edu/~cgiacolo/index.htm

Surely, gandhi must have know this.

Nicetry Michael4love

So do you have anything else to offer?

Looking for some STAND UP AND BE COUNTED.

PRACTICLE SOLUTIONS LETS MOVE FORWARD

I will spare you the pain of saying, yes the Churches and most of the leaders seem to have turned a blind eye to God Creatures, yes its True Wendy.

I know that anyway. Now we need to move things along. Now we need to fix mistakes of the past.
Now we need to speak out for Gods creatures

You cant get out of it buy saying Well people are suffering too.

That doesnt cut it.

Let me put it another way to you if I may.

Would you agree the Church has a role to play in the leadership and to set an example to stop cruelty to Animals.?

Would you agree that in the past the Church has played little or no role in education classes and directing their members to contribute towards animal welfare.

Would you agree that in the last three years especially media reports of dreadful cruelty have failed to raise any interest or concern from most Church Leaders but not all?

Would you agree not to get ONE reply from a Church after two thousand letters regarding BARBARIC treatment of Animals in Australia is a BIT slack?

As I asked you in my previous post what type of things could you see the Church being able to do to improve their performance if anything?

Bozo
I am sure you were never the same again after seeing such things.
Its good to have your comments on board. What type Of things do you think all working together as people we can achieve.? Can you see the Church Leaders helping in anyway? towards stopping cruelty to animals. live exports and intensive farming?
If not why not.?
Have you been here very long?
Do you attend a Church of any kind that you feel you might be able to raise these things with the leader. If not Why Not?

Many Thanks .
I am sure this will serve as a insight for Australian Public

Thanks Wendy for the update, much appreciated. Wendy, you don’t have to apologise for having your say about the attitude from church leaders- that’s why this discussion is here. If we all smiled and shrugged our shoulders, defended religious leaders and said that Christians are compassionate to animals while we know that it is hard to get them involved, nothing would ever change.

We are dealing with the hard reality that they haven’t cared about the issue so far, and taking this in the open will at least make things discussable. Things might change for the better. I can only thank you for having said what you did- it needs to be heard no matter how some people dislike hearing it.

Thanks for that quote, Benny- we haven’t even gone into the discussion of vivisection, and it’s one of the most cruel things that animals have to endure. It’s just unthinkable that human morals have sunk that low- another reason for religions to speak out.

OZGIRL, such a great opportunity for you, sounds exciting if it's in your area!

Welcome, Michael,
Right here in Australia is a lot of animal cruelty going on as well. You seem to care about the welfare of animals, and if you think that your church leader has as you say good attitude towards animals. This is great to hear. If you agree with our points about animal cruelty, e.g. live exports, intensive farming, etc, perhaps you can have a talk to your leader about your/our concerns about the cruelty going on- would be good if he could do something positive or even talk about these issues to his members.

1) "Why do you want us to campaign?"
Most of us on here would like the attention of the church because church leaders still have an influence on politics. Personally I’d like it if this wasn’t so- I prefer a secular state; but the fact is that they still do influence politics, so we’d better try to make use out of that for the animals’ sake and that’s why we’d like to see them involved in this issue and perhaps lobby or campaign
We need the cooperation of the government to enable us to make changes in favour of the animals. The church can help as the govt is likely to hear them.

2) "What do you think of me, in the light of my above statements ?" You seem to care about animal welfare, we need more people to speak out against animal curelty.

3) "At the moment, Humans are cruelly killed: Animals are cruelly killed. What should be our priority?"
Personally, I think that it should not have to be a matter of chosing between humans and animals. The church, and the world as a whole, have enough caring capacity and love to give some attention to all of our issues. I don’t think love can run out. Nobody would expect the church to neglect human rights and focus on just animal rights/welfare or vice versa.

Scout, thank you, I have reached mny limit- will talk more later!

Wendy,

Believe me, I am the same.
Humans make animals reproduce.. does that mean we are good?
Humans kill animals for their needs... does that mean we are cruel?
Mind you animals are not your sole-property.
If you are so concerned about animals and animal-cruelty, you should be doing some activities rather than this cheap-talk.
And btw, why are you dragging church & christianity for your issues