Celivia

Congrats on changing the title, perhaps it has already been effective and I would like to welcome Michael4love for both his post and his genuine concern for animals. I would like to point out (others may correct me) but I think the majority of the animal welfare posters do eat meat - you don't have to be a vegetarian to care about the well being and treatment of animals.

R0bert

You were correct I didn't read vetman's post before it was deleted - wish I had.

Ozgirl

I take your point about 'mudslinging' - guess I have been around OLO too long, I have taken very hefty personal abuse from BD and his ilk in the past. If you thought I was bullying, then I apologise, however BD was not bullied on the 'abuse to animals' thread, he just found Pericles perspective on pets extreme. I still maintain that while he has expressed concern he hasn't contributed. It is not as if he is a 'shrinking violet' on OLO - he is very persistent when the issues are about Muslims or atheists. He could help. I would really appreciate some email contacts to religious organisations - have tried to google but there are so many it is overwhelming.

Basically, it seems to me that the more extreme christians like to dish it out and I am sure their skins are thick enough to discuss animal welfare.

Maybe we should re-re-name this thread to "Christians love animals too".

I dunno - the silence of the lambs is deafening, Clarice.

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4 The love of Pete Michael

That ones been around for years.

If for no other reason you should read the reaserch that clearly links Animal Abuse to people abuse.

Fancy having to beg the Church Leaders to speak out against Animal cruelty.
Worse still fancy suggesting that because people sometimes murder others we should say nothing about Gods creatures who can not speak for themselves. Thats very twisted reasoning .

http://www.rspca.org.au/mediareleases/MRShow.asp?ID=90

Please read RSPCA Presidents Dr Hugh Wirth recent Press Release.

He tries to address some of the problems with Animal Welfare clearly pointing the finger at Church Leaders Attitude.[ They are plenty more]

After having said all of that I would like to thank you for saying a few words rather having just ignored us.

The animals need your help Michael its that simple.

There are millions of good people who are Christian, muslims and many others as well.
This post however is about the lack of interest from church Leaders towards animal cruelty, not the members of the flock.

For the first time in Australia 60 minutes and others ran not one but five segs on the cruelty of live exports and intensive farmimg. The Silence from the Church Leaders IS deafening.

Its clearly THEIR job to speak out and lead the way towards compassion to animals.

Its just as clear they fear loosing their government Grants so lets call a spade a spade Michael shall we.?

I am not having a go at You Michael, I am having a go at them and rightfully so.
Your Young and probably dont know the depth this sinks to , but it goes to the bone of the issue, the moral fiber of Christians and what that is meant to be.

Is there anything at all you can think of you could do to help us to get them to do the job God Expects.

Any Ideas would be appreciated. Thanks For coming on this forum its a pity a few more were not like you.

Dont forget to read some of the RSPCA Press Release.

Go In Peace

Scout, you of all people I would not accuse of lowering your standards to gain any kind of recognition for yourself, so if I lumped you in there I apolagise, as I said it was the overall tone that was a little unsettling..
I have always found you fair and not one to forgo your opinion simply to 'fit in' .
This same attribute I see in Wendy.

Cheers

Cool OZGIRL

I am just fed up to the back teeth with the holy rollers at present, I try to be fair, not sure if I always succeed.

I find it significant that the religious are so NOT involved in the environmental threads of which the care of animals is a part. One would think that they had already reached heaven and have no need to care for the planet which sustains them. And it is religious politician's who hold the power in our country at present AND they can't separate themseves from their religion and their responsibility for the greater good of all creatures, great and small.

Enough said on that.

You, me, Wendy, Celivia and all - we ARE making a difference. Simply by speaking about our concerns we are getting our thoughts out into the ether, into the universal consciousness; the more good we do and think, the more will be created.

I'm sure you've had one of those days which starts wrong and then gets worse. I don't believe opposites attract, from my experience negativity attracts like and the best way to clear a bad day is humour, a smile and moving forward.

We are not stuck with the current way of things, the one thing we can count is change. Lets make it a good change!

Love to all.

Celivia Scout

Great posts from everybody

The Mark Vaile thingy is up to you. I should think Brad Willaims his right hand man would seen OLO anyway.

AVA. The more the better.

I should tell where we are up to regarding getting the Government to look at adopting a Co joint venture policy with Australian Farmers and overseas purchasers of meat.

We have received a reply From The Prime Minister.1`5 .2006[ Pretty Standard]

However the Hon Peter McGauran has stated he finds the overseas live importers and Aussie farmers co joint venture idea "interesting , in principle."

What he requested is reasonable. A small biz plan or something similar.{ no easy task for Clancy here who writes with a thumb nail dipped in tar.]

Employed business Consultant however he suffered a heart attack.

Perhaps this is where the Church leaders could Help the Animals.?

I am sure they have contacts with Business consultants.

AVA should support it.If not I will be asking why.

There is something about Peter McGauran I like. As I have never met him I cant quite say but I think hes a leader.
The biggest Problem I can see is the huge amount of misinformation given him from left right and center.

It would be a daunting job with people in many cases straight out telling him lies.

Then he would have as much trouble with extremists as we do.

Hes got the farmers, that thanks to extremists, are convinced that all Animal Welfare groups are against people eating meat.

Hes got PETA and the Anti meat eating lot Animal Liberation who destroy some wonderful work they do by telling others not to eat meat.

Now hes got people knocking on the door saying please consider doing it this way.
On top of that I guess he has to toe the line given the way in which this has been entrenched for years.

AWB kick backs only being a small part of it.

Hopefully , God Willing one of the Church Leaders at Least might help us spearhead this through by helping with A business consultant.

OzGirl .

little buddy
The bad attitude probably rubs off from me. Its so frustrating to write thousands of letters to Church leaders AND sent footage without one! relpy. I even flew from the gold Coast To Melbourne to see Steve Fielding with our CEO RSPCA up here and still no reply after two years. Fair go what would you say.
I have been doing that for six years. Mud would be clean to the lack of responsibilty that is blood on their! hands. I make no bones about the fact I think Church Leaders have been an utter discrace.

Yes its true you gave the first break on that other forum to the Animals. At least you acknowledged that Animals should not suffer at the hands of people and we should not turn our Christian Backs on them.

Now as your going to be a Social Worker may I impose on you to give your thoughts on this please.?

http://www.horsehandler.com.au/documentaries.htm

Remember we both share the interest in helping the Aboriginal people and kids in Regional Areas, this helps them and the Animals.

This Programe has been run In many countries such as Malaysia Indonesia just to mention a few.

It has been done in conjunction with Christian and Muslim leaders with great sucess.

If it were combined with job oportunitys working in with this co joint proposal it could be a win win for Animals Aboriginals Churches And Australia.

There would be funding available but i wont lie it would have its challangers to kick start here in our own country.
I just reckon its a win win for Animals and people working with the Churches if we did it here.

We would need someone to put their hand up for the job of spear heading it and I thought given your interests it might be up your alley.

Of course we would assist with proposals so long as you wouldnt mind the Bushy Approach.

Really Would like to know what you would think about the idea of setting up this counciling service here in Australia OzGirl.