For many years the Australian community has been tolerating the intolerant and, for reasons of our own well being, it is well past the time we put the safety of our citizens before some idealistic notion that all peoples can live happily together.

The following is a police media release regarding ethnic violence of just a few days past.

http://tinyurl.com/py5nmc

Frankly, we should not allow people to come here if we know they are of a group that will not integrate and holds deep seated hatreds for other groups that make up our diversified community. We should insist that those coming here understand that old hatreds must be left out of Aus and that we expect people to respect our laws and community standards.

The above incidents is only one of many where some groups have abused our hospitality by actively engaging in anti-social and criminal acts. Some have even shown utter disdain for our courts, police and what we consider reasonable behaviour.

There has been riots following and during sporting fixtures, Examples at soccer and the tennis. Riots and shooting at one venue giving people the ability to vote for an overseas election. Anti-social behaviour that lead to the community demonstration at Cronulla and the retaliation attacks on suburbs and people that followed. This is only a small sample of the abuse of our tolerance. There are others that disregard our laws by carrying out FGM on little girls, engage in forced marriages and the holding of cockfights and dogfights.

We must not allow the situation to continue to slide toward the shocking state of violence that European countries endure. We have no need to import social problems.

We owe it to our children to keep the community safe and cohesive.

That can only be acheived by keeping out those the will not abide by our standards.

Good thread Banjo

“For many years the Australian community has been tolerating the intolerant…”

Yep.

“We should insist that those coming here understand that old hatreds must be left out of Aus and that we expect people to respect our laws and community standards.”

Of course we should!

“We must not allow the situation to continue to slide toward the shocking state of violence that European countries endure. We have no need to import social problems.”

Surely the numerous examples in Europe of serious social upheaval resulting from immigration of the ‘wrong’ sorts of people are enough to make our government sit up and take notice and re-evaluate our immigration program forthwith.

“We owe it to our children to keep the community safe and cohesive.”

Absolutely.

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We desperately need to reduce our immigration intake down to net zero in order to have any hope of living sustainably on this arid continent.

Net zero means an immigration intake equal to emigration, which would still be something in the order of 30 000 people per annum. If we did this, we wouldn’t have to worry about the sort of people that we allowed into this country, as the numbers would be so small, and with a vastly smaller intake we would presumably be much more selective about bringing in the ‘right’ sort of people.

An immigration intake of ~30 000 per annum should be composed predominantly (~25 000) of the most needy of refugees and ~4 990 of people with the most badly needed skills, and their families.

That leaves scant little room for importing ratbags!

Ask most people and they would agree with you, the last thing we need more of is social disharmony and escalated violence fuelled by ethnic hatreds.

However, how do you screen for attitude or willingness to integrate?

Immigrants will naturally tick any box that will allow them entry into the country of their choice. If you ban particular ethnic groups then you fall into the murky area of discrimination law and also preclude those from that group who are sincere in their desire for a new life free of those very ethnic hatreds.

It is a difficult one. One possibility is perhaps to have a probationary settling in period for new immigrants (as opposed to refugees). That is if you don't adhere to the laws in Australia you get sent back to your previous homeland. Not sure how that one would fly and who would be the judge especially if it meant a family would be split up. Perhaps if it was clearly indicated at the point of immigration maybe it might work. Perhaps we do need to be tougher.

The other thing is that a lot of ethnic tensions diffuse after one or two generations however the situation in Europe is disturbing. Particularly so in France where ghettos of mixed ethnic groups are at war and street violence has escalated. There are many problems with violence towards women in the minority cultures by some extremist males from a strong machismo culture.

In principle I agree. How long can you tolerate the intolerant before it makes a long term and irreversible impact on society as a whole?

We have to remember that migration from those less tolerant parts of the world is relatively new so there is no Western benchmark as to how it will play out.

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I once was known for my tolerance of other nationalities, religions, colours and creeds. I can no longer tolerate those who will not tolerate me, and my choice of sexuality, religion, politics etc in the country of my birth.

The following article was received in email this morning, and it crystallises for me mny of the problems which we do not currently have (or do we?) but which we will have in the not too distant future. Selfishly, I suppose I can breathe a sigh of relief that I am unlikely to live to see its fruition.

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In 1978-9 I was living and studying in Denmark .
But in 1978 -even in Copenhagen, one didn't see Muslim immigrants.

The Danish population embraced visitors, celebrated the exotic, went out of its way to protect each of its citizens. It was proud of its new brand of socialist liberalism one in development since the conservatives had lost power in 1929 - a system where no worker had to struggle to survive, where one ultimately could count upon the state as in, perhaps, no other western nation at the time.

The rest of Europe saw the Scandinavians as free-thinking, progressive and infinitely generous in their welfare policies. Denmark boasted low crime rates, devotion to the environment, a superior educational system and a history of humanitarianism. Denmark was also most generous in its immigration policies - it offered the best welcome in Europe to the new immigrant: generous welfare payments from first arrival plus additional perks in transportation, housing and education.

It was determined to set a world example for inclusiveness and multiculturalism. How could it have predicted that one day in 2005 a series of political cartoons in a newspaper would spark violence that would leave dozens dead in the streets -all because its commitment to multiculturalism would come back to bite? By the 1990's the growing urban Muslim population was obvious - and its unwillingness to integrate into Danish society was obvious.
Years of immigrants had settled into Muslim-exclusive enclaves.

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As the Muslim leadership became more vocal about what they considered the decadence of Denmark 's liberal way of life, the Danes - once so welcoming - began to feel slighted.
Many Danes had begun to see Islam as incompatible with their long-standing values: belief in personal liberty and free speech, in equality for women, in tolerance for other ethnic groups, and a deep pride in Danish heritage and history. An article by Daniel Pipes and Lars Hedegaard, in which they forecasted accurately that the growing immigrant problem in Denmark would explode. In the article they reported: 'Muslim immigrants.constitute 5 percent of the population but consume upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending.'

'Muslims are only 4 percent of Denmark's 5.4 million people but make up a majority of the country's convicted rapists, an especially combustible issue given that practically all the female victims are non-Muslim.

Similar, if lesser, disproportions are found in other crimes.' 'Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers, they wish less to mix with the indigenous population. A recent survey finds that only 5 percent of young Muslim immigrants would readily marry a Dane.' 'Forced marriages - promising a newborn daughter in Denmark to a male cousin in the home country, then compelling her to marry him, sometimes on pain of death - are one problem' 'Muslim leaders openly declare their goal of introducing Islamic law once Denmark 's Muslim population grows large enough - a not-that-remote prospect. If present trends persist, one sociologist estimates, every third inhabitant of Denmark in 40 years will be Muslim.' It is easy to understand why a growing number of Danes would feel that Muslim immigrants show little respect for Danish values and laws.