Hiya Banjo, most of my family are already here, My family moved here when I was 18 and left me flatting in NZ, Kiwi’s are a traitorous lot.

Hi Protagoras, I did wear that black thing in the stupidest climate on earth to wear long black clothing as well.

I get the closing boarders thing for y/our own sakes. Do it, I’ll back you 100%. Maybe the world could do it for two years and see how we all get on.

How to explain to you both how I see the Lebanese… lovely people, my personal favourite Arabs, never heard a bad thing about them until I got here.

But I arrived after some riot and I also think there may be quite a few around where I live. The number of times I have had to tell off local teenagers who look at my neighbours and sneer the word “Leb” is amazing, the poor buggers are Syrian, Catholic ones at that.

You can’t full me with stories of knowing the odd person of this race or another. I live around (what is lower than blue collar?) neighborhood. My kids are older teens so I meet lots of other older teens who have not been taught to reign themselves in. Adult Aussies (all the ones I have met offline) are the most racist people I have ever met.

Two teens just walked in the door, I asked them to describe to me the local Lebs they know:

“they fight with bats and hammers, a-holes, they hate Australians, they call Australians “s#it Aussie cu#ts”, they have rats tails, the ones round here have lived in Oz their whole lives, speak English”

There ya go. Bags not my fault.

Jewely,
Quote Two teens just walked in the door, I asked them to describe to me the local Lebs they know:

“they fight with bats and hammers, a-holes, they hate Australians, they call Australians “s#it Aussie cu#ts”, they have rats tails, the ones round here have lived in Oz their whole lives, speak English”

Unquote. That would seem a fairly typical answer from teens having some experience with lebs. Lebs certainly have a poor reputation. It is to do with rudeness, arrogance, disrespect for others (particularly women) anti-social behaviour and contempt for us and all aspects of our society.

You stated before that we (meaning Aussies) 'fully corrupted' the Lebs

Relating what a few teens said does not explain how we came to corrupt the lebs and I would like you to tell me. Just what is it that made them so hostile toward us. They were treated the same as other Middle Eastern people on arrival and we did take in quite a few when civil war was tearing Lebanon apart. What is perplexing is that we do not experience the same contempt from other Middle Easten people, it appears to be mainly attributed to Lebanese muslims. The hatred seems also to be handed down to next generations.

You also said 'There ya go. Bags not my fault'. I don't know what that is supposed to mean. No one is blaming you for anything. What is not your fault!

Hey Jewely

When the Brits decided that they wanted Australia as a penal colony and to add to the British Commonwealth they used the term "Terra Nullius" which is Latin for "land belonging to no-one". And the rest is history as they say. This is why the current date of Australia Day is so contentious as it was the date of arrival of the first European settlers and therefore, not inclusive of Aboriginal people.

I also agree that Maoris are more war-like than Aboriginals - love the Haka, if there is an Aboriginal war-dance - again I am ignorant. The Aboriginal dances I am familiar with are the ones which tell tales of the Dreamtime. Totally different cultures which lead to different outcomes for the original inhabitants of New Zealand and Australia.

Protagoras - love your posts; very informative and am in total agreement with your point:

"...that developed countries should (in a non-coercive manner) ask developing countries to take responsibility for their ever increasing populations and that we drastically reduce our migration intake by giving priority to refugees and very substantially increasing our foreign aid directing that aid toward the causes of people becoming refugees."

Banjo, when I was a child, the claims you are now making about Lebanese were being made about Greeks and Italians, therefore, I find your argument somewhat lacking in substance. Today Greeks, Italians, Vietnamese are among our most valued immigrants and I anticipate the same for Middle Eastern immigrants.

wobbles,
Without checking on your quoted stats, they sound about right. This really shows the effectiveness of the previous policy. Have a look at the previous year also. The Rudd policy came into being after your stats ended on 30-6-08. Now read article from todays Aus to see what has happened since.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25544176-601,00.html

We have apprehended 749 illegals and the Indonesians have apprehended 900. Over 1500 in total that were attempting to come by boat.

There is no doubt that the lure of permanent residency, after a couple of months paid for holiday on barmy Christmas Island, is the lure and like the Indonesians say we can expect more and more.

There is no alarm, but we simply need to make it far less attractive for the illegals to risk the trip. I applaud the Indonesians for their efforts in prevention

Sorry, Last post on wrong thread.

Fractelle,
The problem now is that the lebanese muslim issues have been going on for a long time. Some are 2nd and 3rd generation and their attitudes are still the same. The groups you mentioned above never showed the arrogance and contempt for our society that the Lebs do.

Similarly, the ongoing hatreds shown by the Serbs and Croats are now shown by 2nd and 3rd generations. Education has failed to stop those carrying out FGM. Some that were mutilated here are now having their daughters mutilated as well.

As I asked Antonios, How much time do we allow some groups to respect our way of life?

Hey Fractelle, There are lots of Haka’s, you ever had one translated? Maoris are scary! Bless them.

So do you think given time all this stuff will go away as the peoples here start moving in a common direction?

Hey Banjo – yeah two similar threads I am getting confused myself.

“As I asked Antonios, How much time do we allow some groups to respect our way of life?”

What is your way of life? I keep asking and I keep getting how bad other countries are. I like Oz, but I’m a pretty tolerant type mummy.

But you know the only time I have been abused and called “Pakeha” in a BAD way was by a white Australian like they thought it was a swear word.

“You stated before that we (meaning Aussies) 'fully corrupted' the Lebs”

Yes and you want to know why I said that… what I keep saying is that I like the Lebs, always have but here they act different and what did you do to them if they are okay everywhere else?

But you do say the Muslim Arabs. Christian Lebs don’t call even themselves Arabs. Maybe there is a clue there.