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Where is Democracy?

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To all contibutors: Please note that I am the original "Cuphandle" but have had to change my nickname to "Crackup" due to change of server ( from Dial-up to Sat LAN )

With all the furore that is currently occurring in both Australia and Britain over MP`s alleged misuse of allowances etc...a subject that should be of the utmost concern to each and every citizen of both countries,...the question should be asked that if our politicians cannot act responsibly by "taking" from the public purse only what is legally and morally justifiable, then what example do they set for the rest of the country.

This subject once again brings to light the transparency of our Democracy whereby elected Politicians HAVE to give their first allegiance to the Party machine and it`s policies, regardless of the wishes of the members of their electorate who were actually responsible for them getting them elected.

Once again we witness the the ongoing self-indulgence of a group of people who are obviously a law unto themselves. It is now time that all the constraints applied to the average man in the street be applied to this group of alleged miscreants, with the appropriate penalties and punishment being applied for any infringement, instead of simple Party Room censure!
Posted by Crackcup, Thursday, 21 May 2009 10:07:40 AM
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an interesting topic..cuphandle[sorry/cracked me up the imagry of the change]..often wish i had chosen another handle...but back to the topic

we have a demonic-autocracy.[demockery for short]the..-crasy allways looked like crazy..but such is the nature of the beast..serving..lol..the public ser-vice..with a two party machine they rule us by

govt has allways served the elite,..to expect any different..[from the same 2-party machinations..would be truelly absurd,and frankly most sheeple got no idea,..of what good governance would look like

the meaning and intent/behind formulating the constitution was to limit govt/powers..[govt cannot take power of atourney/from the people[abouve and beyond the power/..the people have to give]yet clearly has

no individual can..punitivly-criminalise any other for simple drug use or possesion..[for egsample]..govt forms/acts..that give licence to business..so buisness has rules to contole its worser elements[..but business has absorbed the rights of a person..[and personhood has become servitude/by peons serving the state

we have the absurd selling-off of govt/'trusts'..[water/power/teliphone/mail etc..to big businnes..[for proffit]..and govt servants not only gave up/these peoples instruments..[they managed to steal the proceeds..to secure their own..overgenerous pensions..safely bankled into a private/trust-account for public servants..lol
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 21 May 2009 2:34:10 PM
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we see the wholesale oppression..of the public..to pay income tax on wage..[income-tax is not wage-tax]..but no public/schooling is going to reveal the truth..[nor will media]..

while the multi-natial's get to avoid paying tax on income..[plus getting huge/bonus/coorperate-welfare..in lue of wages..they should be paying tax on..[and dont]..but use fancy instruments that should be taxed as income..[but which arnt..[its all backwards]..but such is why our public/servants..chose lawyers..to run for the party..via the 2 party machine

even the..'greens'..is run by public/servants..[but such is demon-autocracy]..no one is going to tell people..that simply by regestering to vote..[they accord power/of atourney to the state

[and legally..give up freeborn/rights..to become wards of the state[legal-name..=..imbisiles;..in-capable of handeling our own affairs]..

but it dont stop there in this demon-autocracy..by applying to vote[or by regestering..your..'vehicle'..[or applying to register a birth[in fact..when we register ANYTHING..[we sign away our rights]

by applying..[apply means beg,..we asume the rights of a begger[..ie of no legal standing..[that innocent govt form[we signed]..becomes an inforcable contract..[and all govt oppressions are via the law of contract,

anything we sign,..becomes a contract..ie voids the real/legal need of a victim..no victim..no crime..state cannot be a victim..[read the magna-carta/charter..no-one may plead self guilt..[ALL evidence must be heard by a jury..[and at least two/witnesses MUSt testify a personal witness of injury]

but public/servants have subverted our rights..via con-tracts..[they call them forms]..once you filled in the form,...you lost your rights..such..clever little/demons..are running the autocracy..jesus said let your yes be yes..ie[dont take oath],but,yet the peons sign oath on forms...lol..why wont someone..explain..it to em
Posted by one under god, Thursday, 21 May 2009 2:34:58 PM
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How do Cups!

It's funny, I was thinking about this this morning. About what exactly we can do. Because unless we act together, we will get nowhere.

And of course that will never happen. Society today acts individually. People today look out for themselves and don't give a damn for others. Some do; most don't.

The Howard Government took full advantage of this principle:-divide and rule-, with individual workplace agreements.

We have TV programmes where contestants are encouraged to turn on those they see as a threat to them. It is todays operating system.

Until we act together,-nothing will change;-it will get worse.

In the UK. they have turned on their politicians bigtime, with demonstrations/letters to papers/talkback/ TV/ and the internet.

Brown knows he is in deep trouble.

This is where 'whinging Pom' has born fruit!!
Posted by Ginx, Thursday, 21 May 2009 2:49:47 PM
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It's just a club - a rorted system where Party A and Party B take turns in implementing similar policies.

No matter where you cast your vote, A or B will ultimately be in control and that's the limit of our democratic vote.

Although they argue about the detail and appear to vigorously oppose each other they both "eat from the same plate".
Posted by wobbles, Thursday, 21 May 2009 4:19:28 PM
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I think cuphandle its in every part of life now.
That greed drove us into this world wide crisis.
It may take as many years as you and I have lived to return to times as good as the last twenty years.
But until every one is made accountable for their actions we will see much more of this.
sorry you had to change your handle but we know who you are.
I constantly question some in my party who would dispose of their mother for a few bucks
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 21 May 2009 5:14:39 PM
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