At the risk of yapping my head off, I cannot help responding to the allegation we are going to get a Bill of Wrongs. We got a Bill of Rights in 1986. The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights was enacted as Schedule 2 to the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission Act 1986. Look it up you doubting Thomases. Don’t believe that Roman Catholic Lawyer Father Frank Brennan, sent out by the probably Roman Catholic Attorney General along with Mary Kostakaidis to convince us we don’t have it as Statute.

The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights paraphrases the New Testament and all the principles set out in it are lifted from that work. That is why the atheists and agnostics and Roman Catholic Church, are denying its lawful enactment. It contradicts the teachings of the State Priests appointed by all nine de-facto Churches in Australia.

It is Commonwealth Law, so it repeals heaps of State Laws. It prohibits the Child abuse perpetrated by the Family Court. It prohibits the ordinary abuse inflicted by the Federal Court of Australia and it is a really great piece of legislation, made to extend to every country the benefits of Christianity. It clips the wings of every Premier. But because we have a Star Chamber High Court and Star Chamber Federal Court the State Priests in these Courts deny it as law.

When Ming destroyed the High Court he cut the head off democracy. This Act would control the Press. They too are in denial. It would make illegal a whole raft of legislation deigned to protect Judges and Magistrates. The only reason these clowns are still in business, is S 9.5 Director of Public Prosecutions Act 1983, which allows the Director to take over and discontinue any private prosecution. The Director of Public Prosecutions has protected numerous Judges when private prosecutions have alleged they have offended S 43 Crimes Act 1914 ( Cth) by sitting without a jury. We have a scabby and tainted democracy alright, rotten from top to bottom

Runner,
Sorry wrong again. The judges (godless or not) can only make decisions with in the framework of their authority.
Without 'independent' judges we would have NO semblance of democracy or chance for justice.
BTW. Your definition of Godless is extreme. the current High court is 'stacked' with conservative (christian) judges.
Might I point out that all theocracies government that are unduely dominated by religion are the most draconian and by comparison 'undemocratic' mob rule-ish. Consider Eire's diabolical past particularly with children.

Pete,

While I can see your point in that there is a power bottle neck which in effect puts too much power into the hand of some elites I have reservations as to the;
a. Infallibility of the "great unwashed" (forming a jury)and delivering justice or sensible (non irrational biased) deliberations.
b. Our system of capitalism(as it's practiced)encourages litigation and in many cases favours the rich to the point equity and or justice is denied.

Borrowing text or concepts from the new testament is one thing but then allowing churches of any denomination privilege in power tax etc strikes me as simply adding yet another set of perversion to equity and equitable justice for all. Rather than the concept of slaves(serfs) as put by you in previous posts.
Keep in mind I'm a humanist of sorts. While I don't believe in a supernatural being I have little objection to others having said beliefs with usual caveats that applies to any other corporation or interest group (as opposed to the atheists that want to eliminate religion, and simply put then outside government and special privilege as it tends to be abused ( 1st Lord Acton).

Let us examine some of this "unsavoury" legislation that has been passed into law by succesive governments in order to "protect" us from endangering ourselves, or to give us a "more secure" personal banking system:
The compulsory wearing of seat-belts in motor vehicles.
The mandatory wearing of crash-helmets when riding a motorcycle or a pedal powered bicycle.
The compulsory Bank Account to receive payment for work, pensions etc.
The mandatory provision of 100 points of identification to enable the opening of a Bank Account.
The provision of personal Tax File Number to a potential employer before being eligible for employment.
The removal of all automatic weapons from private ownership.
The compulsory weapons Licence to obtain or hold possession of a firearm.
The compulsory Electoral registration to vote in both State and Federal Elections.
These are just a few samples of "questionable legislation" that jump to mind and it should be remembered that there are many various other State and Local Government laws and regulations that have been implemented to "make for more efficient" management!
Whether this type of legislation is beneficial to the community in general is open to conjecture, however it is compulsory and any breach can incur a financial penalty or imprisonment.
It may be argued that some of this type of legislation is beneficial in "protecting" citizenry from self-imposed harm, which may be right, however the fact remains that it is now law, and we the people have never been consulted before the various government bodies have passed it into the Statute books!

Crackup I believe some of those laws were passed not to prevent self-imposed harm but to reduce the costs incurred (mainly hospital or disability care) by those potential accidents - costs that would be passed onto other taxpayers.

Whether the wearing of seatbelts or bicycle helmets achieves this I don't know and have not seen any stats.

In essence I agree with the premise of your argument and there could be a lot more consultation with the public on many issues including via referendums.

CU:“Let us examine some of this "unsavoury" legislation that has been passed into law by succesive governments in order to "protect" us from endangering ourselves , or to give us a "more secure" personal banking system:”

Insert: “and children”

“The compulsory wearing of seat-belts in motor vehicles.”

People were dying, this law would have been around from the beginning if cars went faster. And if they don’t die they get hurt and then all the money the smokers paid in tax fixes them. If I show my MBF card do you think they can make a law where I don’t have to pay the additional tax?

“The compulsory Bank Account to receive payment for work, pensions etc.”

Not sure why this matters? Can you explain?

"The provision of personal Tax File Number to a potential employer before being eligible for employment."

What is wrong with this?

"The removal of all automatic weapons from private ownership."

People will die, do you watch the CL channel? Another law that should have been thought of soon as they were invented.

“The compulsory Electoral registration to vote in both State and Federal Elections.”

Not me, still can’t work out the citizenship stuff. But I don’t understand forced voting. When the time comes I will feel a complete dork voting for anyone if I don’t understand what is going on and by the looks of most discussions here no one can agree what is going on anyway. But didn’t Aussie’s vote in people that would make these sorts of laws?

I suspect this is one of those messages where for me the point slid right on by, got picked up by the puppy who ran out the door with it.

I was just ordered by DoCS to put up screens on windows on the pool side of the house. I know no child is going to go out those windows, annoyed, but put them up, moved on.