Hi all.

Some worthy arguments on this thread, basically we Straylyuns are not educated from an early age about our system of government, the Constitution, legal processes and the like. Many, many Australians are still under a misapprehension that we have a constitution almost identical to the American version. (Too much USA TV content ?)

Whilst the Federation framework, which was drafted on-board MV 'Lucinda' during a trip from Brisbane to Sydney, & as such it was based upon that US model... the mechanics of it are not the same in practice, even though the courts here still make reference to US case law during matters before them.

Our two party preferred system of voting in Oz guarantees the most useless candidates with the most votes will get the guernsey - then vide the resulting High Court appointees and their consequent decisions during the Howard reign versus the Hawke/Keating reign.

Our US cousins are instructed from elementary schooling levels on their Constitutional 'rights', and until the late 1960's most schools there gave the students a set of responsibilities to go with that. With the Post-Vietnam era this has not been the case, other than in religious colleges/schools - usually with the particular 'denominational flavouring'.

If in fact our government did teach our kids about the Constitution and legal system then perhaps more of us would see the pitfalls and collectively vote in representatives who then reflect the electorates wishes - not the viewpoints of vested interests as we see in the $$$ involved in the US Presidential voting process.

For the Territorians reading this, a case in point will be the East Point Marina & Inpex proposals which will be interesting developments over the coming years, no doubt polarising many in the Darwin community.

Education is the key, and some amongst the pollies don't like it when the electorate is aware of the processes, and how their local/Federal member should be representing the people who voted them into office.

jewel<<The compulsory Bank Account..to receive payment for work, pensions etc.”Not sure why this matters?..Can you explain?>>..see that you NEED to have points..[to open an account]to get the required..'points'..you need to beg..[applie means beg]...you need to applie for the documents,..that get the points

when you apply your a servant/subject to the laws of that act you apply to fall under[are now subject to]..[begging removes our supirior standing,..after begging/applying we become subject to the laws/regulations/acts..under which the act gets its POWERS

see acts are made to contol govt act..[but by making us apply we losse our rights..[becoming subject to the act's..even the banking act,..as..we are from then on..of less 'standing'..and subject to..[undet]..the act..ie we are slaves[under the act]

<<"The provision of personal Tax File Number to a potential employer before being eligible for employment.">>..What is wrong with this is that we need to apply..[why do we need to apply?],..think about it..at school they could easilly have given us the number..[or tested us without our NEEDING to apply]

but..by aplying we lose our freeman/god given standing..[and fall under the powers of their acts

[are thus sub-serviant legally speaking..by begging[applying,..to govt]..[giving govt higher powers OVER us..[the govt moves from serving its people..to oppressing us..[under the very act limiting the power of them..[our servants]..we thus beame their servants..[them our masters]

see by applying..[we fill in their form's..[then are required to state the info true..[ie take oath]read james 5;12, mathew 5;33-37,..or againmatt 23;36-25..[it is presumed a document sworn true is true abouve and beyond what real truth 'may' be

its a con-tract..[making us legally bound to obey any govt act..[be it taking your kids or locking you up for violatiung their act

understand that..under law it is presumed we dont beg for hurtfull things..[it is presumed we know for what we beg..[so any application means the law thinks ..we THINK its an advantage..

yet its theft of our freeborn sovereign/god given rights..makes us slaves to the system..subject to any oppression..under ALL their acts

[but the advantage may be refused/thus also the obligation]..but no one tells us any of this

jewel<<“The compulsory Electoral registration to vote in both State and Federal Elections.Not me,>>you dont realise how lucky[and thus empowered you are]

<<still can’t work out the citizenship stuff.. But I don’t understand forced voting.>>..ok voting is a right right?

WRONG..see that by applying to vote...you are making a power of atourney OVER you[the vote is you nominating a lawyer, to make deecisions fopr you..[LEGALLY your now..[as regestered[by application/voter]..A WARD OF THE STATE..

letting govt tell you what you can/cant do

<<When the time comes I will feel a complete dork voting for anyone if I don’t understand what is going on>>>..no one does[but legally[by simply applying to lose rights[ie to vote in a caregiver to rule it over you]..your then legally an imbisile..[thats a legal term,..meaning incompitant to handle your own affairs..legally made a child..a ward of the state..[under their act]

<<But didn’t Aussie’s vote in people that would make these sorts of laws?>>..no we voted to give power to others to tell us what we can/cant do..surrendered our god given rights[by taking oath[begging]

<<I was just ordered by DoCS>>>see ORDED not advised [as anb equal, but ORDED AS LIKE A MASTER ORDERS A SLAVE

WHY THIS IS IS BECAUSE you APPLIED TO FALL UNDER THE POWERS OF THE ACT[,be carfull for what you beg..lol...[you just might get it]..and it mightent/wont..be as much as you had..pre begging

see that they cant order me[because i didnt beg..[apply]..to fall under their act..underr their power..[but you did]

Oh OUG – is this like the rule in America where they can’t complain because if they receive money due to an act some judge said they can’t then turn around and complain about the act or amendment?

The “points” – this is semantics yes? In NZ you need three forms of ID – here they give each form a point rating but it is the same thing yeah?

Are you saying that in the applying we have made an agreement in law?
Tax number: But if your employer has agreed to only employ people with a tax number then they have to enforce their agreement. Has any employee stood their ground (under God) and said no? They would be stopped having a business wouldn’t they?

Are their examples of people who have rejected this system with numbers and accounts?

So here you are forced to vote even if you reject all parties/people on the form? Is there a space where you can tick you don’t like any of them?

Hey – awhile ago I signed a document saying I would abide by certain rules with the department I volunteer for, before signing it I noticed it was wrong, not my name on the top but someone else’s and I never said anything.

Am I bound to what I signed?

I am still waiting for a call to arrange a meeting that the O’s office ordered, I was told I would look insane if I dropped the complaint. What appears insane to me is going through this farce. And I will remember your advice and refuse to understand all of it.

Sorry OUG – you do seem to be the person I am always asking for answers from.

once a complaint is filed its best to see it through..[best to listen to what they say..[and tape it]..get their side..[reveal your reasonable but determined to fullfill your duty..[for the kids sake]

jewel<<..receive money due to an act/they can’t then turn around and complain about the act or amendment?>>yes if you recieve the advantage[you must bear its disadvantage]..its a law maxim

<<they give each form a point rating but it is the same thing>>.. yeah

<<Are you saying that in the applying we have made an agreement in law?>>..im not but legally speaking the court will

<<if your employer has agreed..they have to enforce their agreement.>>its more clever than that its implied..[public servants are allowed to lie to us..[howhard passed it into fed/legislation]

<<Has any employee stood their ground and said no?>>..yes..but employers cant afford to play politics..[so rather than risk it they just play the game

[lawyers are in on the con..[their lawyers..[or tax agants[or govt employers will say its the law][and it is if you filled in the form[ie joined their club]..ie signed a contract..[its catch twenty two]...the form you signed..said you would..[thus you must]

people now have to fill in so many forms..[like to work with kids is a form..[or contract into the building trade..[fill in the form,..govt servants have lied to get it to this stage..[but they do have our signed forms...lol

without the form..yes..<<They would be stopped having a business wouldn’t they?>>

<<Are their examples of people who have rejected this system with numbers and accounts?>>..yes they write contracts themselves..[then get paid in gold[or cash/fiat money, but no checks..[they cash in their investment/gold/barter/goods/labour..and when they need to..

,,So here you are forced to vote..no i dont vote..[because i didnt register to vote..[as far as they know i dont egsist,thus they only have force over me...[but no contract]

<<reject all parties/people on the form?..tick you don’t like any of them?..>>y..ou can vote informal..[last time i voted i simple took the voter form home with me,..after that i didnt re register

<<..it was wrong,..not my name on the top but/someone else’s>>..if the person is certain..its valid..

your name would have been at the bottom..[interesting point though...[the gov generals sign the legislation..[on behalf of the queen at the top]..the queen dont sign nuthin

there are many ways to sign yet not sign..[a signature in a box,..isnt really signing..[the box sepperated the oath from the contract..[see juries/witness sit in boxes]..because legally..in the box..is invisable..lol..

the best way to sign is..as agent..[for your self]..ie me=[signature]..as agent for NAME..without-[sans-understanding

the judge sits on a bench that has legal meaning..allowing him to create bonds/orders..bills[think in resterant you give the order and get to pay a bill;money]..[entering the court is the same as boarding a ship]..the judge has the rights of captain..[his rule/order is law[on his ship]

<<Am I bound to what I signed?>>its a teqnical issue..[one signature isnt a legal contract,..then there is the matter of informed concent[both parties must have fully informed concent..[but lawyers wont be telling you this..[because they are a servant of the court franchise]

but we need do our own researches..[i did mine at thinkfreeforum[and world freeman society]..i put up the links previously

law is a funny beast..things we feel are process are the way our rights have been stolen..[govt is meant to serve us..[protect our well being..under the common weal..[instead they feather their own nests..think they can legislate us into slaves/to serve them or their masters

but people dont want to study the facts

never take any ones word for anything

research the facts yourself..[allways be asking the questions..[its the one who gives the answers that has the lessor standing[never lose your standing by saying you under/stand

[law is all about standing..[standing comes from being wronged[injured by another]..the victim has the highest standing under law,..no victim no crime..[thats why they make us slaves/servants..under contract law]

[they make us violate con-tracts..claioming ignorance of the law is no excuse, but never reveal the fact that contracts=[forms..[with rules..[hidden clauses,..then take us to court for breech of contract..

[but no lawyer will reveal the reality,...nor dare question it]
but im repeating myself..lol