Foxy
My hat goes off to your fortitude sticking it out all the way. You and Bronwyn deserve awards "for services to sanity and unswerving reason against all odds" perhaps? I'll write the citation for you your acceptance speach is yours but don't go PC.

BTW some light diversionary relief: While no longer in SA I cheered Xenaphon. He is helping the economy by saving those rural people from becoming complete financial basket cases. The fact that he's helping out businesses does that make him a socialist, Liberal in disguise doing what they wanted to do but were too busy playing games or just a good senator? perhaps that's a good topic.
I admit I’m feeling sorry for the socialist under my bed he must be a little cramped(it’s a water bed). Such a misrepresented and maligned fellow too. :-)

C J M you will not change Col Rouge, he is unable to stop the insults or hide his biases.
That support for Thatcher has to be a front her own party dumped her.
Socialism by stealth? only makes me grin!
Whenever Col lets fly a bit too hard at my ALP or Rudd I picture him as Alexander Downer in those black net stockings.
By the time I stop laughing I do not remember what he said.

Ah so the truth is finally coming out. Nicky, the supporter
of a militant union like the WWF. Never mind that farmers
and other users of the wharves, like anyone who bought
imported goods, was being screwed blind by these guys.
Never mind the rorts, never mind the blatant blackmail
that was going on.

If the Libs got anything right, it was the freeing up
of the wharves.

Anyhow, at least now we know a little more about Nicky's
history, as a supporter of extreme unionism, unlike Belly,
who seems to show more balanced and reasoned judgement.

I think you might find examinator will replace Nicky for a while:)

If not buttercup will be along shortly. Gawd is it butter cup, i get them all mixed up now. Most times i can actually tell who the late arriver to the thread will be.

*This may be a good time to take another look
at the Liberal Party...*

As it might be a good time to look at ALP Foxy. Your dont like Lawyers on the lib party.

Others dont like the Trade Union officals in the ALP .I`d much prefer brains to bullies.

Attention belly I am about to say something you wont agree with OK Its political not personal.
*In the middle of last weeks heat no gloves to take ice, you will be sacked for using hands[I agree]ice is first defense from heat stroke, no gloves for a week, we got them in ten minutes.*
Belly

3 Major cases ah. Umm, I see. I am not even game to ask where they wanted to put the ice in case Morgan enters the thread-) but Your not serious. Of course you are!

May I enquire Belly- if people 'knew' they needed ice- (for whatever reason )at their job why in the hell didnt they bring their own gloves. Please explain

Also does the boss own the ice-? If so is it paid for- or Free? No air con Huh? Is this the unions new global warming policy.

In the old days at a plant- (Abattoir) the unions draw a line right down the middle of the floor.

If something broke that just required a spanner nobody was allowed to walk over that line.!

So they would all stop work, for half hour , or hour while somebody called the official spanner man to walk over the two feet imaginary line. - True.

No wonder why the Boss went broke plant after plant.

More like a screw loose to me but- pls go ahead and tell us the major problems regarding the ice and Gloves for workers belly.

Perhaps I am making pre judgemental conclusions.

Out door workers by law, must wear long sleeved shirts.
Long trousers
Hard hat
Glasses, boots, sunscreen, that is not union law company laws enforced by government instrumentality's such as work cover.
Occupational law say an employer has the DUTY to protect his/her workers.
In such heat sunstroke is a real danger.
Keeping up fluid levels is critical, signs telling workers how to watch for it are in every toilet.
Water is not piped to remote sites, even some towns near by , it is trucked in.
Ice is to cool the water, as a preventive measure for heat stroke.
Once a man with hepatitis gave it to half the job by using his hands, cut and bleeding, to get ice.
Employers, and unions,know that must never happen again, the boss will sack ANYONE getting ice without gloves.

A tool box meeting, boss has them to tell of future plans and get feed back, asked or gloves, a week passed no gloves no ice no cool water 38 degree heat.
Ice inches away the sack if caught getting it.
I got the gloves, BUT supervisor taking them to job, left it till lunch 2.5 hours before taking them out of his glove box!
So PALE once more you launch into unions boots and all, often you sing the praises of one who you claim supports you but what is so wrong about my story?
Yabby yes Howard did use tactics that I dislike him still for, but the end result was a good one, the idea that all unionists are non workers is wrong.
Now at a tool box, one week after the gloves got requested , one hour after they arrived the site safety manager said these words, next time you want something ask instead of complain to the union.
That thing! in his former life, before turning from a butter fly into a grub, was a union delegate in construction, very radical one too.
He forgot the request had sat on his desk for a week.
I had made yet another effort PALE.

CJMoron "Col the intemperate troll:"

If I needed advise on trolls you would be a reliable example.

there with the irrelevant, inflammitory aside... a throw away line...

Rover run after this line if I throw it...

Go Rover... chase the troll

(you are used to the dust kicked up by me heels... you have been chewing it long enough)

Belly "That support for Thatcher has to be a front her own party dumped her."

but she was "good enough" for 15 years....

I was there in UK when she was elected into her 12 years of primeministership.

I knew and lived with the threat from the leftie/socialist liars she stood against..

Foot and Benn were the lowest scum, bereft of practical ideas and full of socialist ideology they were intent on choking everyone else with.

A party manifesto which was more left wing than the Italian communist party.

Against them stood Margaret Thatcher and the British people who elected her to a landslide.

And the irony, her work at renegotiation the stupid terms the Socialist trough snorters signed up to for entry to the EU has continued to benefit every UK Government since Majors, Blair and Brown into the future

As well as the longest continuously serving British Prime Minister 150+ years, her legacy has continued to benefit governments and the ordinary people of UK every since... because she turned around the "give-up" begging bowl attitude of the swill humpers she opposed and replaced.

Ultimately every political leader either dies in office or gets dumped... Hayden, Hawke, Keating, Beazley, Creen, Latham, it is always a toss up between political ally and a funeral director.

The difference, Margaret Thatcher was the longest continuously serving UK prime minister since 1827.

A National and World leader her role in politics was she had the support and staying power... unlike socialists.. who change their leaders like their underpants and the names of their failed and recycled policies.

"By the time I stop laughing I do not remember what he said."

Yep short term memory loss... like a socialist politician and his election promises.