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Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Monday, 4 December 2006 5:19:47 AM
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Hi all
I'm very sorry for the slow response, I've been away on a project for a few days and haven't had a chance to look at everything. Yabby - put it down to having had a few hours sleep making me sentimental, but is there something wrong with dreaming of how things SHOULD be for animals? I have to reiterate as well - one doesn't have to know a whole lot about sheep (or any animal for that matter) to recognize cruelty when one sees it. I didn't compare sheep with dogs or cats either, merely the different legislative protection that dogs and cats get compared to "production" animals. As I have said before, the CoPs are simply the mechanisms by which farmers are able to continually breach animal welfare laws across the country (would you 'mules' your dog?). PF, thank you for clearing up the 'shedded sheep' issue, you are absolutely correct, of course. Antje, I'm afraid I haven't been to the Babe thread either, so I haven't yet got to the message. As I told you, my commitment load is extreme at present. Sorry! As for the farming of crops only - it is not rocket science understanding that animals have their places in eco-systems. That doesn't mean that they should be farmed under intensive conditions in any circumstances (and I acknowledge that many sheep and cattle are farmed 'extensively'; the feedlot issue notwithstanding, feedlots are simply another manifestation of greed, since they are purely to get animals big enough and fat enough quicker for slaughter at a younger age). And do we not have laws about GFM crops, levels of pesticides, etc? Bye for now, Nicky Posted by Nicky, Monday, 4 December 2006 6:36:59 PM
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Nicky, you are free to dream all you want! My point is that if your dreams get
carried away into political discussions, where thousands of peoples lives could be destroyed, its not unreasonable for some of us to point out the flaws in your dreams. Reality does not go away, when we close our eyes and wish it would! You are correct, any old fool can pass naïve judgement, that does not mean it’s a wise judgement, just judgement from the point of ignorance. It really would be nice if the animal libber movement hired a few more qualified people, before they sprout off their often naïve opinions. In fact over the weekend I had a bit of a look and read of the AA website. Lots of warm, fuzzy dreamer stuff there, lots of contradictions in their manifesto too, IMHO. But that’s another long story. What I did see was a picture of a kid snuggling up to a pig, Babe all over again! I remind you of reality, pigs are killers when it suits them, so perhaps AA are being a bit irresponsible there. http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20843033-1702,00.html Dogs don’t need mulesing Nicky, they don’t grow wool. You clearly have never seen 1 million maggots eating a sheep alive. Fact is, if Peta had had their way, there would now be far more suffering in sheep land. All emotion and no reason is dangerous, especially in the hands of fanatical animal libbers. What makes you feel good is not always the best outcome for the animals you claim to care about. Why are feedlots always about greed Nicky? Tell me the difference between making a living and greed. Are you greedy because you would prefer to be paid for your labour? Oh yup, we have lots of laws all right, that does not mean they are complied with. If you prefer crops grown under chemically intensive conditions, what I call chemical farming compared to holistic farming, then that’s your choice. As long as that apple has no blemishes and shines, most consumers are clearly happy! Ok fine lol. You eat it.. Posted by Yabby, Monday, 4 December 2006 9:25:26 PM
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A quick Hi. Nicky Thank You for your response. You will not find anything on the web pages regarding this policy project. You can contact me through either these adresses- go to contact. From there I can get the lawyers to contact you straight away before they close for their break. This will only take one minute of your time. That way the lawyers can call you and explain what they dont have time to do themselves and discuss payment. I cant do anymore than that I am afraid. It is very much in the animals interests this is done urgently to enable meetings to take place early next year before elections.
I will wait right up until the 25th as I can contact them after hours. [I would prefer not to have to disturb them while on holidays.] If I have not heard from you by then I will take it you are not interested . Goodbye everybody. Have a safe holiday. http://www.livexports.com/solution.html http://www.halakindmeats.com/ Antje Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Tuesday, 5 December 2006 3:14:32 AM
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Wow, so much chatter and so little is about alternative solutiuons to live exports.
Posted by Wizard, Thursday, 7 December 2006 9:34:21 AM
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Well Wiz, the reality from WA might well be to sail em up the
coast, to a plant in Indonesia. Its no further then trucking them East and much kinder to the animals. Boat turnaround times would be just a few days, so even one modern, state of the art boat, could move one hell of a lot of sheep. Fact is that the processing industry in WA is caught between a rock and hard place. T&R agreed to spend 40 million $ to build a new plant, all held up for months by State Govt red tape, who don't seem to care figjam about rural issues, all their votes are in the city. Other plants simply can't obtain labour, everyone has gone to work for the miners. Fed and State red tape prevents them bringing in foreign guest workers, so all you have right now, even to deal with present livestock, including the 3 million live trade animals, is lots of dreams by a few. Reality prevails, shooting them is not an option, or only for a few. Perhaps that plant in Indonesia or Malaysia will start to look more and more attractive given time! Posted by Yabby, Thursday, 7 December 2006 12:25:08 PM
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That is why it is so important for everybody to 'work together'. Now we have farmers RSPCA reps vets [even live importers and exporters, lawyers and abattoir owners all waiting to put their two bobs worth in to assist with this report.
We are just short now of the person who was going to compile it.
That is why I came in the OLO and offered five thousand dollars.
When it comes to intensive farming or live exports it all boils down to one thing.- More return for the farmers.
I wont call intensive product producing farming because its not. That would be a insult to the good farmers out there.
There are no free range pork farmers other than PF and a handfull of others.
There is no ;point telling people to only buy free range when there is none. Yabby is correct about that.
If people in the Middle East and other parts of the world actually have interests in free range farms in Australia and abattoirs in Australia they wont want to buy live animals .
Why! does everybody leave Labour alone/ I really dont get it.
Yabbys correct about the staff for plants as well.
Everybody has something to offer and something they do well.
Nicky I can only assume you have ignored the message from George I left on the babe thread for you because you are unable to assist.
I am not sure if I can post before Christmass but if not 'Merry 'Christmass to all
Antje