Nicky
[q]Is it a business plan?
[a[ no its a invitation to a tea party.

If the ministers cant identy with the business plan of a proposal how are they going to look at introducing new proposals?

Its a "policy proposal" for a structure to develop a business plan for companies wishing to phase out live exports by converting to co jointly operate with currect live importers of animals from the Australian Federation Of Islamic council RSPCA QLD and others.

Dont you worry about that Nicky I should think considering the middle East take millions of animals for Halal Slaughter alive! each year having the muslim leaders of Australia interested to do their bit to stop cruelty to animals might be helpful.


This political correctness introdoced by a extreme of politically correct animal groups playing a political game[ so long as its what Andrew instructs is incredible.

Fortunatley at least Peter Beattie could understand it - Peter McGauran finds it interseting and John Howards staff seem to follow it. Mark vaile is waiting for some further details.

If the Government cant see any merritt in a business plan and something Austrade and Mark Vaile can market then its not going to make any difference if Mohamed crossed his Ts and Dotted his whatever.

Tell you what Nicky.
just give us verna Simpson of the NSW Humane Soceity International who put together the Free range Accreditations and strongly support the proposal.

Thats ok You and AA keep playing your political games under Andrews directions.

You know the only thing i have never been able to work out is if its being done purposley or they really are 'that gulable.'

I repeat if you dont understand the meat trade [world wide] you will never help animals.



What is it we expect Andrew to do?

Something. Come up with an alternative . As a person . Nicky there are many polys with interests in live animal exports both in federal and! states

I farm sheep, prime lambs, I also try very hard to plant trees, and use chemical free farming practices. I succeed at this most of the time. Except this year times are extremely tough. As a farmer, who personally eats very little meat, I do not push any anti vegetarian or anti vegan points of view. Pushing points of view too hard causes a great deal of stress on both sides. However, I do enjoy my occasional roast with my roast vegies. I am absolutely dead against live export. It is a cruel and horrific industry which causes never ending pain on innocent animals. Every week I ring my local abattoir to see if I can take down an amount of sheep to lessen my feed bill. The sheep that are going would be going anyway next year in Autumn. The abattoir is only 80 klms away. Short trip. Less stress. Also less money. Live export takes away jobs from Australians. This in itself is bad enough. My motto is "If you eat 'em dont mistreat 'em". The whys' and wherefores' of eating meat go back thousands of years, a most complex subject. How do we stop live export? Vote for the people who are against it. Dont donate money to organisations that have "lip service" only. Actions speak better than words. It is the actions you need to analyse and follow up on. cheers Farmer.

Farmer

Welcome to the thread. A Sheep Farmer 'with morals' this must be my lucky day. Yes point taken I am getting worn about the feathers and a bit short fused. Spent years trying to educate the animal libbers and sick to death of it. Sure we need to take action Sheep Farmer and very soon as live exports has grown and grown over the years while they hold rallies and fund raise.

Your correct 'action is required.' Right now State and Federal Government will look at any sensible proposal with view of being supportive that will reopen plants.

All we hear from yabby - who by the way is not a live exporter of animals' is we got to send them live because how can we slaughter three million pluss here./
Answer by getting together with the other farmers and getting them involved as share holders or whatever.
Rodger Fletcher makes millions per year and employ hundreds of staff slaughtering here in Australia. If Rodger can do it so can others with a bit of will. Yabby complains Rodger buys cheap because he has nno opposition. Well - give him some.
If you want an examample of a great Australia working in the abattoir industry look no furher than Rodger. So now we are going to hear moans about not being able to get staff. Ok point taken. Then create staff. Train staff and above all educate the people about the ALP and their part in being just as responsible for this mess.
Do a deal with exsisting plants in the mean time to run two shifts or three shifts to get through.
There are plenty! of overeas workers coiming into Australia. I suggest with respect to the animal groups they push to allow plant workers in. I dont here much from them about the ALP and the unuions. Nor do I hear much from Andrew about it.
Tell the public why we have problems getting abattoir workers into Australia. Look I am not against any! animal welfare group but they need to rethink their policies.

Farmer
Sorry about spelling mistakes. I try to post on the forum and I have to type flat out in order to do that and the other work. My spell checks shows up as working but many times that is not the case.
Its a speed thing for me 'sorry.' I am going to put a link up called Free Range Farmers support group. On it will be a place where you can go in and list your farm and promote your products. Well its not actually there yet but we are working on it and it will be.
If you click on free trade leads you will see some of the overseas contacts requesting Australian products. There is no order to this list as I have just put a few up to kick off with. From the top of my head I dont recall sheep as yet. The idea is to provide this service for free to help farmers especially through drought times. The only requirements for anybody interested is they sign a pledge not to engage in live exports or promote intensive farming. If Australia smaller farmers are going to catch up they will do so by value adding and dealing direct with overseas importers. All assistance to acheive that is given free of charge both to Australian farmers and overseas customers.> Perhaps you will eventually see somebody asking for lamb and you can talk to them about finding a suitable plant in your area. Big things come from direct contacts and only the farmers know where plants need to be built in their own areas Australia wide. Here it is. Click onFree Trade leads and remember its nowhere near finished.
Antje

http://www.freerangefarmers.com/freerange/leads.html

ROFL Ozgirl, good to see you have now become a sheep farmer :)

Very interesting subject!

Need ideas? Here is one. How about if all (export)farmers pitch in and invest in a mobile floating slaughter facility and catch shark or other fish with the offal and deliver the goods (fish and meats)and fertilizer frozen at the destination.No animal suffering, keep the ships decks clean and make more work for Ozzies on board and get a price for the offal product enhancement as fish. Can I get a patent for this idea?