quote from your link>>That's it.A series of oddball assertions with nothing to back them up,and most of them are just nuts.>>

as usual name calling but no rebuttal
preaching to the converted[as the responses confirm,clearly he deletes rebuttals[remind me to test this theory]

but'his'rebutal'][?;lol]goes on

>> It is a common trope[?]among the New Age crowd to babble about"vibrations"<<

ok i know he isnt rebutting,but later he states these cant be explained,let me explain

electrons circle the atom,at definitive speed and depending on the amount of protons/electrons orbiting the atom[according its atomic number

the actual orbit is a alternating polar orbit,but the thing is their orbits set up the very vibration that makes'reality'seem that which it is[but that is too much extra info for your little brains]

thing is look at your hand,it feels real
[but we KNOW its made up of atoms[electrons/protons etc

in its combined vibratory effect[according to the amount electron/protons etc is a combined field[of affect]that makes up the hand[the vibration of the electrons'protons,give the effect we know as reality[but is really all just the vibrational fields of the electrons/protons orbiting the atom's that make up your hand[and everything else in this'reality'its all vibrating[light is vibration[sound is vibration, matter IS vibration]

>>"planes" and "spheres" and "energy">>
the universe is only one vibrating plane/phere[there are very many more,different planes of vibratory affect]but i have posted about that previously[and still you would say you dont get it]

anyhow[a closed mind is impossable to open]aTHIEST's have very closed minds[its the group think mentality,the group superiority complex[that claims science method but is unable to explain or apply it[lol]

>>but I don't think a one of them could actually define any of these things,let alone measure them.>>

and if we did you would claim it nonsense

BUT science has measured the ammount of atoms[lol][thus expoliates the ammount with its affect[read your atomic number chart dude]

your link proves nothing as usual in the way of proof
thus
rebuts nothing
it is in generalities as usual

[take out what he'quotes'there is nothing left]

my quote was the bulk of his response[rebutal?]lol

Happy 2009 !!

Great OUIJA news !!
More than a year ago, a lady (very close to me) mentioned that she played in school (in the 70's) something similar, not with a Chinese saucer but with a coin.

I have just checked with her to confirm that. Her's was called "Spirit of the coin". 2-3 players were involved in each session. Apparently any coin will do. Each time, she thought the other player was pushing the coin. This remark is important-- It indicates she did NOT deliberately push the coin to move, (and I KNOW she wouldn't lie to me).
Will she play that again?? No, she insists.

Getting excited, I googled and found plenty of information. But better still, I found "Spirit of the Glass".

I would definitely be interested in "Spirit of the Glass" because a glass is much less likely to accidentally move by the players' finger, as compared to a coin.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_play_spirit_of_the_glass
http://www.baguio-city.net/2005/05/spirit-of-glass.html

It's time to do some scientific research, guys !!

Honestly, I'm not scared of this stuff and I hate superstition.
If the existence of spirits (ghosts, evil spirit...whatever) is real, then they are all around us anyway, what can you do. Let's take advantage of them to do some research then.

"...the Truth will set you free." -- Jesus

Hi David,

Can you do a favour by persuading some Atheists/Skeptics to give that a go??

GZ One Under God, its strange I do not support David, I am not a Christian.
I am not interested in formal things like his group.
While I understand and agree with him , there is and never was a God, I do not think its worth the effort trying to convert each other.
My reason for entering your discussion is this, you both make claims to that appear you have the high ground under your feet, you are right, others must except it.
Why then do you need forums such as this to tell us about your God?
Church's are empty, in my area closed and selling coffee or tea ,not God.
Could it be that your product needs salesmen and women who can sell?
Why?
Why does nearly every school teach us evolution if its lies?
Clutch your straws but let others swim in a life to good to waste

GZ,

I suggest that when you have obtained an Ouija board, you do the following. Gather three or four friends or acquaintances and have a session. It won’t matter if they are religious or not. Below are a series of question you can ask it. There are, apparently, three basic things you cannot ask the ‘spirit’ in the Ouija board.

Never ask about God.
Never ask when you are going to die.
Never ask where the gold is buried.

So here are the questions assuming the particular ‘spirit’ can travel all over the planet:

1. At what hour did David Nicholls awaken on New Years Day 2009?

2. What did David Nicholls have for breakfast on New Years Day 2009?

3. What important change to all documents regarding Atheism did David Nicholls make beginning on New Years Day 2009?

4. Which direction was the wind blowing when David Nicholls went outside immediately after wakening on New Years Day 2009?

When you are about to try the ‘experiment’ with the Ouija board, give me warning and I will transmit the answers to Foxy if she is willing to supply an email address for me to do so.

Do you agree, Foxy? If not, then some other member of OLO.

Foxy, I apologise if this seems presumptuous but you are possibly one of the most trusted persons on the OLO forum.

GZ, you then come back to the Forum after your encounter with the ‘spirit’ and place your answers on a post. Foxy or other will then place my answers on a post. After this, if it is successful, we incorporate Atheists/sceptics in the equation and try again with a new set of questions.

Does that all seem fair to you?

David

David,

I know what you mean.
But you're already making assumptions about what a spirit may or may not do. And they may be wrong assumptions.
What if a spirit is actually quite stupid?? What if a spirit is not able to correctly answer those questions??
I would suggest something simple, like asking the spirit for your age, or anyone's age for that matter.

The first scientific objective would be to analyse the very basic thing that a spirit may do-- Can we prove a glass is moved by an unnatural mean??

I know I have difficulty finding someone in Australia who will play this with me... So may be this will take time.

Belly,
If you read my very first posts, you'd know I'm merely here to refute Islam as a religion based on Mohammed's lies. (Mohammed never encountered an Angel).
I have strayed away from that at times.

Belly wrote: "Why does nearly every school teach us evolution if its lies?"
The theory of evolution is not a lie. But to say "evolution is a fact" is false, (ie. a lie).
But what else would the schools teach, if not theory of evolution??
You're begging the question.

Logic must not be emotional and truth judgement is not based on the population size of believers.