adamD;quote>>you deny natural selection?>>NO..[apes mate with the best'ape'[of the same genus]that it can find..or to use your egsample apples mate with apples..[result apples]

..>>..bugs become immune to pesticides?>>>NO..but bugs are still bugs..[get it yet]..one thing proves only the one thing..speciation[not evolution]are you saying natural selection IS evolution?

>>...mutations in bacteria that immunize them from antibiotics?>>it dosnt'change/evolve'bacteria..some BACTERIA adapt an'enzyme'that breaks down the poisen..ie'natural-selection'[not'evolving'..a new TYPE of genus..thats'NOT'a bug

>>..the mutation that allows a very small percentage of women to see some of the ultraviolet spectrum?>>[HUH?}if you have proof woman mutated into not woman..please produce evidence

>>..bugs that have'learned'to digest nylon?<<they are still bugs?..did they'evolve'into'not'bugs?

>>..you deny ring-species and speciation?>>NO..ring species reported are gulls breeding with gulls resulting in gulls..or salimanders mating with the species salamander..making[you guessed it salamanders(lol)not'evolution into a new'genus'NOT'salamander'.

>>Not to mention the millions of other examples seen around the world in the distribution of all the species on the planet.>>all of like breeding like..not one'new'genus resulting from an intra-species mating..EVER

accept the evidence for evolution is FLAWED[not proving evolution in the'macro'sense[into a new'genus'type]..OF course the Earth is billions of years old,how dare we think a god'day'equals a man'day'

i reject the theory of evolution on logic grounds/saying that they are only'species'specific“explanations”and spurilous unsubstantiated“claims”expoliated into genus'evolution'[when its not]

hear someone say that religious belief of evolution[based on species speciation into new genus is irrational.

>>Why would a god want to deceive by creating all life precisely as though it had evolved from simple beginnings?>>if not how did he do it then..logiclly so we can find the clues?

>>Why would a god want to hide themselves,<<would you have the freewill to debate about it?

for some reason people got'god'totally wrong
as your WRONG QUOTE reveals[by its ignorance

you insult pure living loving grace..but here is what you said
>>punish non-believers for an eternity,simply because they used the reasoning abilities..?<<

god dont judge[think how you wrong him;simply by saying he does when he dont..you dont know him[so stop'speculating'lies about'him'..you claim'he'dont egsist[YET...<<because they used the reasoning abilities that he/she/it blessed them with?<<lol

In fact speciation – the evolution of new species – is being observed right now among cichlids in Africa's great lakes. Here is a link to just one paper on the topic. (Subscription required but you can read the abstract)

http://www.pnas.org/content/105/40/15475.short

David,

Those who are blinded by ideology or religion will always find ingenious rationalisations that, they believe, explain away inconvenient facts. This leads me to postulate the existence of an element called "IMPENETRATIUM." Impenetratium exists in the atmosphere. It is colourless, odourless and invisible.

Impenetratium has the property that it is opaque to new ideas.

The brains of some people, for reasons yet undetermined, attract impenetratium. Such people suffer from a disease I have called ICES for Impenetratium Cerebral Encasement Syndrome.

New ideas literally never reach the brains of these unfortunates. Instead their brains go into a sort of a loop in which they have to invent ever more improbable and elaborate rationalisations to explain away evidence for ideas their poor brains are unable to process.

There is no known cure for ICES.

Happy new year everyone.

I thought 'impenetratium' was the result of modern and post modern education whereby insufficient or non -existent treatment is given in secondary and tertiary level history lessons, about the necessary gratitude and debt that one must show towards Judaism and Catholicism for providing the world with science, scientific method and innovation.

There is indeed a cure for impenetratium and is Catholic Faith and reason, taken either singly or in combined dosage.

Stevenlmeyer,

I think there is enough evidence around concerning “IMPENETRATIUM” for the initiation of a significant official study. The ‘Impenetratium Cerebral Encasement Syndrome’ has been known about and in existence for a very long time but at last science has found a cure if inoculation is administered at a young age. More mature adults do not necessary respond to the ANTI-PENETRATIUM treatment.

Those poor unfortunates who are stuck with the disease must be coddled to a certain extent but it is important they are kept away from impressionable children and moved out of the political sphere when the disease is running rampant.

Another method of controlling ICES is to show the effects, something akin to smoking or car accident adverts, in public forums. This way, young observers will see the awful damage reeked on its victims and rush to their local inoculation centre for advice on how not to catch it. Exposure to the devastation in itself works in most instances.

I think the message is getting through that mental condoms, which allow for a wide knowledge base are an essential item in young people’s repertoire. We must encourage that they should be worn always as a protective measure against the PENETRATIUM virus.

There should be a slogan such as, “Penetratium is everywhere, be careful it doesn’t get you”.

Webby,

The Catholic faith is one of the carriers of the disease.

David

Stevenl and David -

How about those who are affected by Variable Impenetratium Encasement Syndrome - i.e. those whose condition allows the pentration of new ideas but is limited exclusively to those which have the same properties as the ones already held?

Could such persons be said to have VICES?

Dear OUG,

Yes, nylon digesting bugs are still bugs, but given the fact that the earth is billions of years old, there is no reason why mutations couldn’t eventually result in a different species over time, especially when you take into consideration what we witness with speciation and ring species.

But with all due respect, I don’t have the time to be continuously correcting you, particularly when you’re not going to listen anyway. So I’m cutting this conversation off now.

Happy new year.