GZ,

I don’t think you want to call some poor innocent ‘spirit’, stupid. It may be offended.

How about ask the ‘spirit’ my age, weight, height and shoe size. Can’t get much simpler than that. Do you agree?

If you cannot find anyone who will be involved, might I suggest you are hanging around with a lot of superstitious people and you should expand your relationships to those not so encumbered?

David

GZ's just playing games. It would be very easy to set up a controlled experiment to test whether his belief in Ouija spirits is empirically supportable. Indeed, he'd stand to make millions from it if that turned out to be the case - but of course he won't.

<< I'm merely here to refute Islam as a religion based on Mohammed's lies. (Mohammed never encountered an Angel). >>

Of course, as a creationist Christian, GZ believes in all sorts of similarly fanciful myths and legends, but he won't provide any objective evidence for those - because again, he can't.

As a Malaysian Chinese Islamophobe, his mission is to spread hatred against Muslims at every opportunity. Anything else is a mere distraction.

belly>>,..the effort trying to convert each other...My reason for entering your discussion is this,you both make claims to that appear you have the high ground under your feet,you are right,others must except it.>>

awe come on belly,evolution isnt proven[but to put it in terms a unionist can understand,is a walkout for a union meeting a strike, very clearly they are different[is getting a'date';getting laid[no speciation isnt evolution[in the real evolutionary sense]

god only comes up in these debates when aTHIEST's cant respond with science[had they the science they would respond with science[not ridicule]mate dont you get angry when you been lied to?[well you have'speciation'isnt'evolution',however many people may wrongly believe it is

>>Church's are empty,in my area>>mate you know i say to that'so wha'[religious people saw through the fraud their'messengers'were delivering[but'evolutionists'still swallow lies]

>>Could it be that your product needs salesmen and women who can sell?<<

mate name the group im selling god to,im not selling nothing[just had enough of pimply kids who failed biology telling me its science when its not]if you cant do the job dont be saying the job is done[the evidence isnt in[yea]it looks like but it isnt[you never bought a car all bogged up[it looked good till the bog fell out?its the same with evolution[it looks good[but isnt science[faulsifyable]fact

>>Why does nearly every school teach us evolution if its lies?<<

mate they work to rules[the rules are they dont,so they dont]most science teachers never actually studied science[its straight from the book][they are theorists/teachers not scientists][and i dont want creation taught either[i found'god'after i swallowed the'evolution lie,'a science base is important[but kids should be told to confirm what the teachers is told to teach]but they dont

>>Clutch your straws<<

mate you ever sat though a'foreignmovie[then got lost following the translation[if you believe we can'evolve'a new life,you dont care about what life we allready got[once a life[genus]is gone its going to be gone forever

[but go ahead and waste your'life'not fully'knowing'what your'seeing'is unique]..that science as clever as it is..simply cant do it[cant make a simple cell[let alone'evolve'it]believe in what you want[but i have the same right]

CJ Morgan,

Now, now, CJ, don’t be too rational. Give our spooky believing friends a chance to hang themselves in small steps at a time. The web is awash with claims of the paranormal but strange as it may seem, none of it ever finds its way into reputable scientific literature.

My guess is that it’s not only a god who works in mysterious ways but it is also a devil. He has made all of us Atheists confused and all religious folk clear headed expounders of truth. And he does the same with all the thousands of conflicting religions there are and ever have been. Now that is a clever trick.

GZ has made claims about the capabilities of Ouija boards. We have both agree to a test and considering the monumental finding if it works; there is no reason not to go ahead with the experiment. Information on the web states often with authority, one can make a simplified version of an Ouija board and it will work just as well as the bought product.

Now, if GZ continues to prevaricate, then we will know it is rubbish. That will be one more notch for sanity in the battle against spooky thinking and GZ will have to wear the reduced credibility tag from now on.

So, in summary, the discovery of paranormal abilities of an Ouija board would be a fantastic bonus for a new kind of science (Or whatever) and well worth the experiment. A failure to do the experiment or a failed experiment will not bode well for those with their heads high in the clouds of superstition.

Just to reiterate the questions for the Ouija board: It must accurately tell my age, height, weight and shoe size. My Word document with the answers is all ready to be posted.

Start your engines, gentlemen please, the test is about to begin. Or so I believe!

David

David,

I'm excited about scientific research into spirits. What got me really excited though, was your earlier suggestion:-
"....to have a group of Atheists experiment with an Ouija board..."

Well, obviously you've reneged on that, and make me the one to prove the spiritual world exists.
What are you scare of? The glass may actually move??

Please note:-
(1)...You don't know my personal circumstances. So don't assume it's easy for me to find someone that will co-operate.
(2)...I will satisfy my own curiosity about "Spirit of the Glass". Not to prove to you, or anyone.
(3)...No one dictates when I conduct MY OWN experiment. But if/when one is completed, I will certainly reveal that.

On CJMorgan's points:-

(1)..."...creationist Christian...believes....similarly fanciful myths and legends..."
I don't know any Christian believing in fanciful myths,legends. They seem to resolve around Bible, Jesus mostly.
I know CJMorgan does NOT understand Christianity/Christians, even though he actively attacks both.

(2)..."...he won't provide any objective evidence..."
False. I would indeed provide objective evidence within my limits.

(3)..."...Malaysian Chinese Islamophobe..."
Name calling yet again, CJMorgan style.
I'm no longer a Malaysian. I'm not easily phobic, based on my ability to analyse logically.
A few months back, I commented that CJMorgan's ability to learn new concept terminated years ago.
Proof-- Here CJMorgan uses the word "Islamophobe" again, despite having read Nick Haslam's article.

(4)..."...his mission is to spread hatred against Muslims...at every opportunity..."
I only have opinions, not a "mission". My presence as an anti-Islamist is actually very limited, I come and go, unlike CJMorgan's constant presence on OLO, attacking Christians at every opportunity.
I don't spread hatred against Muslims "people" per se. My target is religion Islam as a false ideology.

CJMorgan has not come clean. He failed to address my suspicion he is actually in bed with Islam...(Muslim-by-association; Muslim-in-disguise)
He's never critical of Islam, other than making disingenuous token remarks that he hopes will mislead others into thinking he is "fair-minded" (puke...)

Someone who averages more than 3 posts a day, must have an agenda!!

I think his mission is to discreetly defend Islam, posing as non-Muslim.

allways about you'david'the[aTHIEST]<<ask the‘spirit’my age, weight,height/shoesize<<lol

you reveal how weak your'measure'of proof really is

but enough about you lets check out your foundation[with over 900.000 visits][yet i see no reply[answer]or questions asked of you[;lol]

>>The AFA recognises scientific method as the only rational means towards understanding reality.>>

yeah aint that just a hoot[rational scientific method you cant affirm
[but you will entertain spirit comunication[lol]

>>To question and critically examine'all'ideas,<<

you got the questioning thing down pat[but you got no answers]but you dont test your athiest belief do you[thats one more thing you cant do

>>testing them in the light of facts<<YET you simply remain silent or avoid reply till the next destraction and your off again as if nothing happend[you work so hard at remaining ignorant as if that>>,leads to the discovery of truth.<<lol

you cant handle the truth,athiests arnt looking for proof[only avoiding it]

>>The universe,the world in which we live,and the evolution of life are entirely'natural'occurrences.<<

DEFINE natural[for the third time]how was'natural'life begun?

prove>>No personality or mind can exist without the process of living matter to sustain it.<<,what of nonlife into life[the process]'lol'

just your usual nothing statements..that you cant validate with science fact

>>This life,here and now,is the only one we have.<<

prove it mate

<<All that remains after a person dies is the memory of their life and deeds in the minds of those who live.<<PROVE IT>>

>>Atheists reject superstition and prejudice,<<
yet believe the science'theory'based on faith[as is being here;now revealed...as your unable to confirm the science you claim underpins YOUR reality/evolution or abiogensis

<<along with the irrational fears they cause.>>

yet you care not about putting fear into thiests of little belief[children]eh if they get comfort from their'belief'its your mission to take what little faith they have AND REPLACE IT WITH WHAT?fear?santa clause?

>>We recognise the complexity and inter-dependence of life on this planet.<<yet not one of you can debate a'thiest'on the science of the matter..LOL...you just avoid answering'any'questions whatsoever

>>we accept the challenge of making a creative and responsible contribution to life.<<
yeah how?
by attacking thiests beliefs?..or avoiding reply to specific questions