Cup handle,
Gee and we were thinking you were really into the yanks.
PETA is your bible is it not. No wonder why you lot are hated by the farmers.
Many self made millionaires don’t read or write.Put most of you out on a farm and you wouldn’t know what to do.
It should be compulsory to do some time learning to be a jillaroo before allowing these so called animal welfare groups to formulate.
You are the people who make it so hard to deal with the industry.

'Both sides' of Federal Government have commented that at least pale DO have an alternative.

Governments are only there to regulate industry.

The Industry must be driven by the suppliers and farmers but we all know how much support the farmers have been given and you DARE to put the blame back at their! feet.
Where were YOU people when they de -regulated milk ...

The real problem with Animal Welfare as we see it is apart from RSPCA it’s full of veggie snobs convinced they walk on a higher moral ground.

We take a great deal of advice from an old Abattoir owner working.
He was the one of the first to export meat to the Middle East after seeing first hand the treatment of animals in the 1930s.
He doesn’t read or write and is a walking book on the meat trade and live exports.
This man took it upon himself along with a few mates to personally address the Prime Minister in NZ years ago and ‘correctly predicated Australians future.

Once again the only Animal Welfare leader who took the time to meet with this man was CEO RSPCA QLD Mr Mark Townend.

Oh and another thing. The Australian Newspaper have told us they would have happily report much more on Animal Welfare IF only it were from other than always Animal Australia.

Think about it and involve the general public more.
For the Animals.

I have not seen Cuphandle favouring any Americanisms (or even Australian slang, for that matter) on these fora, PALE - in fact, I seem to recall you once accusing him of being a young female activist from Queensland and his replying that he is in fact a retired farmer.

Do try to get your ducks in a row before making fatuous and irrelevant accusations simply because he has quite rightly criticised your shocking communication (I am still curious about the waltzing at the RSPCA, I must admit). You should also acknowledge your quotes from other people; it was in fact Hugh Wirth who used the "higher moral ground" phrase, yet you have claimed it as an original. In academic circles that is plagiarism.

Do you mean "predict" Australia's future, not "predicate"? Otherwise that is yet another sentence that doesn't make sense.

I noticed a couple of weeks ago a comment from Live Export Shame in the Australian, but I have never seen any reference to PALE in its articles. Perhaps you could provide some links to back up your story. Or are you just going to continue to refuse to answer my questions, and call out your legions whom you claim have advised you not to debate with me any further, pack up your little bat and ball and run off home?

Nicky

Nicky:

As you can see by the response from PALE&IF to my last comment, ....this is what makes them so unique ( to loosely coin a phrase!)in this modern world. They simply ignore the merits of any criticism and continue to stumble blindly onwards and downwards in their own little campaign of denigration!...."The Emperor Really DOES WEAR NO clothes!"

You would have noticed the total lack of acknowledgement or apology for their blatant erroneus statements regarding my contributions to this Thread, or any comment with regard to their English comprehension!

It is strange to find that you Nicky can remember the fact that I did state on other threads that I am in fact a retired farmer and over the years have probably had more to do with the animal kingdom than PALE and it`s minions,....however that is another journey for another time!

I must apologize to all readers that in the process of typing the quotation from PALE&IF in my previous comment,....I inadvertently corrected some of their spelling,...probably through force of habit!

Hello Cuphandle
I remembered because you made some expert comment about an aspect of animal welfare at that time, and also, at that time as well, because PALE was accusing everyone who challenged them of being all sorts of people with whom I can only imagine PALE has had some sort of disagreement in the past. PALE never admits mistakes or errors in any form, as you know.

It is a shame, because by its behaviour, PALE discredits everyone who has an interest in animal welfare, and seeks to make us all look like incompetent, uneducated idiots. I think you got an oblique response to your comments about the abuse of the English language in the form of PALE knowing people who think that is something to be proud of. On the other hand, PALE tries to claim to have some business credibility; with communication skills like this, it is unlikely in the extreme.

Persisting down the path of trying to diminish everyone else who HAS made great contributions to animal welfare in the form of the vendettas that appear, in the same tired form, on every thread that PALE corrupts, does it no credit. As for the AWB fiasco, I recall someone pointing out that the timeframe PALE keeps throwing up pointed to it being impossible for the Iraqi regime being able to profit from the export of live animals. As I said - it was nothing more than a business transaction, and PALE provides no evidence to the contrary.

I suspect we are at a point that PALE will now bring out the legions of "members, lawyers, and Muslim Leaders" from its imagination where they live who advised them not to communicate with me, and discontinue debate. Anything rather than answer the hard questions.

I hope you're having a lovely new year. I also seem to remember you still have some lovely animals, am I right?

Cheers
Nicky

THE Gold Coast BULLETIN, Tuesday, March 7, 2006 - Page 17

Live export trade inquiry would be like lambs to slaughter

THE RSPCA may have the answer for federal Labor politicians struggling to galvanise voters with the AWB bribery scandal.
The recent 60 Minutes program on Channel 9 revealing cruelty on Australian cattle in the Middle East hit a nerve.
Not that the RSPCA was surprised by the strong response from Australians outraged at endemic cruelty in the live export trade.
Many Australian voters may not give two hoots about $300 million in kickbacks to Saddam Hussein to sew up Australian wheat sales to Iraq. But it would be a different story if the AWB was ever linked to live exports.
The Gold Coast-based Halal Kind Meats is off to the backblocks of Queensland and Western Australia to look for Australian slaughtering opportunities. Dozens of Australian abattoirs have closed since the live export trade boomed in the 1990s. Kindness to animals is part of the Australian 'fair go' tradition.
The temporary ban on the export of live cattle to Egypt over the 60 Minutes expose looks like a token gesture from a government committed to livestock exports.
Labor appears more concerned with the future of Australia's livestock trade overseas than banning the practice. Even noted animal
lover, HM The Queen, passed the buck back to Australia when asked to intervene.
To be Contiuned

THE Gold Coast BULLETIN, Tuesday, March 7, 2006 - Page 17 ( Copy) contiuned

Cattle rate No. 2 on live export numbers. Sheep are export kings. Those imperfect or injured ones not fed to the sharks or minced alive await their fate at Middle Eastern slaughterhouses. Travel from farm to abattoir can take three months.
Animal welfare zealots reckon Australia's live export trade is 'a story of profit at any cost'. With six million sheep, 850 cattle and 100,000 goats shipped offshore each year there must be a juicy quid in the game for someone.

Why doesn't Labor home in on a Wesl Australian live export investigation which found the trade costs Australia $1.7 billion in local production plus $280 million in household income and up to 12,000 jobs?
The Australian Federation of Islamic Councils insists live exports are not necessary to comply with Muslim laws.
"That can be done in Australia under the Australian Government supervised Muslim Slaughter Program," said AFIC president Dr Ameer Ali. More than two million sheep were slaughtered in Australia last year for Middle Eastern markets and shipped frozen or chilled.



THE Gold Coast BULLETIN, Tuesday, March 7, 2006 - Page 17

One COULD Ask Not only Why Didnt Labour BUT Anybody ELSE??