That looks rather like something PALE sent to the Gold Coast Bulletin rather than what was actually printed. Far too much of the PALE vernacular, I'm afraid. No self-respecting journalist would write a piece like that, even in a regional newspaper.

"But it would be a different story if the AWB was ever linked to live exports".

So where is the link? This says absolutely nothing.

Is this the best you could come up with? And what did HKM achieve in its "trip to the backblocks"? Let's not forget this is all almost THREE YEARS AGO.

Furthermore "HM The Queen" and her family of misfits are anything but animal lovers. They wear fur, and hunt defenceless animals down with dogs and guns at every opportunity. For "fun".

Finally, when did Cuphandle ever indicate that he was a supporter of PETA (or anything American)? From what I can tell, he simply deplores cruelty to animals and does not subscribe to any particular animal welfare organisation.

Nicky

Nicky:

In my last comment I stated that I found it strange that you could remember me saying that I was a retired farmer!....I omitted to continue that "yet PALE could not even remember my three previous posts on this thread!"....although I think that you had picked up on that missing statement!

Yes!...I still have 5 Bulls, 4 Steers, 1 horse, 2 dogs, all with a backyard of around a thousand acres to play in!

You were also right in your assessment that Queensland is fast becoming the country`s most animal cruelty intensive state!....something to be really proud of!

It certainly appears that PALE & IF are more to be pitied than laughed at and are doing themselves more of an injustice by their recalcitrence and sheer bloody-mindedness!

I was not impressed with PALE`s statement that they thought that I was right into Yanks ( and I didn`t really know which way to take that statement?) ...however once again if they had any sense they would have picked up on the fact that I am not a particular lover of
Americans or their Administration!.....PALE`s minds do work in mysterious ways!

Cuphandle

Correct- You did make three comments. Sorry

I`m tired of the outright insanity with statements such as this.=
* No self-respecting journalist would write a piece like that, even in a regional newspaper.*

This defames the Gold Coast Bulletin 'itself' as well as the 'Editor 'and the most 'senior journalist'- not to mention pale as well as RSPCA QLD who were also very helpful in regards to that particular media release.

Surley it would have been in the interests of everybody to at least do a check by Googles or contacting the News Paper itself!

I know its not your doing but really if you 'blindly' 'support' people who make such statements we are probably not being unfair by saying- (if the cap fits.)

We have turned the other cheek on so many things that the same person has written on OLO

This time we intend to report this to GY and The Editor of The Gold Coast Bulletin. ( I dont think he will be very impressed.)

He will no doubt contact OLO to have a contact address provided to deal with the author.



Actually I am not fans of the US either given they are reasonsible and have DRIVEN the Live Export trade for years.

Your correct about QLD being the red neck for Live Cattle Exports.
Its just as WA are the capital for sheep.

We have raised this for ages to other animal welfare groups.



Of course there are many other ports in QLD where they ship live animals from.
As you know Bowen is about to be number one on the map with Live Exports given the vast amounts pumped into expanding the ports there.

No doubt Nicole`s Movie and her buying a catle ranch will be seen by some as the hip thing to do.

Cuphandle, how lucky you are! I wish I had more space so that I could have more animals. I'm very lucky with my two delightful dogs, and some hens from a battery farm though. The hens bully the dogs unmercifully. Happily, I'm in touch with lots of other farmed animals through friends who, like you, have animals living out their lives in peace.

Do you really think PALE is to be pitied? In a world of its own, I reckon. It was only a matter of time before the legal threats started appearing (sigh! Not again!). Still no answers to my questions, no evidence of anything, nor can the remark about Americans be construed as an apology to you. It's extraordinary to find that the Americans are "reasonsible" (sic) for Australia's live export trade, isn't it?

PALE also is apparently of the opinion that it is acceptable to accuse others of mental disorders (who mentioned people in glass houses?). Perhaps it's taken out insurance to defend libel cases. Given the number of people they have slandered in these threads. It's hard to believe that an insurance company would take on that sort of liability though. As for Graham (Young), he is under no illusions here, and I can't wait to hear from the Gold Coast Bulletin either.

"For eight years The gold Coast Bulletin have refused to do a story on Live Animal Exports".

Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Thursday, 22 March 2007 9:11:21 AM

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=3752

"The Gold Coast Bulletin have refused to do a story on our group which is called People Against Live Exports for almost five years now".
http://andrewbartlett.com/?p=117 29/01/2006

So which is it, PALE?

It really is sad that PALE does not turn its attention to the escalating cruelty in its own state, where serious action is clearly needed. Arguing dead issues, reiterating ad nauseum old vendettas and making fatuous observations about Nicole Kidman really adds to the extraordinary ignorance expressed here - at an appalling standard - by PALE every day. Send PALE a dictionary, someone!

Nicky

Cuphandle

The Bulletin have 'always' maintained People Living on the Gold Coast were not interested in that happended in the bush.' Standard"

However as the AWB was the largest Royal Commission ever held in Australia Head journalists were interested that neither Rudd (Shadow Minister at the time) nor others with supposed interests in AnimalWelfare said one word.

That was too juicy a story for them to miss.

As Andrew Bartlett`s name has been raised you might like to confirm with him when we informed him about AWB. He requested we foward a copy of the sale from Wesfarmers like Rudd and Mark Pearson AA ..

Later when we chased him up about it he then reported back to us HE couldnt get the media to do a story on it.

The Bulletin does stories on most NFP organisations.

However Live Exports 'was ' excluded for years and years.

Had it not been for the scale of AWB story and CLEARLY having a Jig at Labour -I am quite sure they still wouldnt have done one.



Many other regional papers that belonged to Murdock who didnt do stories which involves live exports.

Packer and Murdock were involved in live exports on a large scale.
IMO a complete conflict of interest that was AFAIK never raised by any other group to the Minister for Cummication other than pale.

The truth is many regional papers as well were not prepaired to upset those who were advertsing. Clearly its their main scourse of bread and butter.

A WA Regional newspaper did do a full front page story that pale gave them years ago however thats not the usual.

Gold Coast Bulletin Senior staff most certainly DID do a a story on AWB.
They spent six weeks doing the research and checking the facts with their legal team before printing. (standard.)

Only someone with a problem imop would be stupid enough to dispute that as clearly its very easily checked

PALE, you apparently cannot provide a reliable link for the claimed Gold Coast Bulletin story (other than the MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE times you have cut and pasted your media release on these pages). In looking for the actual story, it is apparent that the transaction between Wesfarmers and AWB was very common knowledge and there is no evidence to suggest - anywhere - that any profiteering to the Iraqi regime from live animal exports occurred. That is without doubt the reason why no-one was interested. The information was already out there.

Perhaps you can provide a link for the claimed Western Australian story (I'd be interested to see a WA regional paper doing a story that "PALE gave them", however). If it is the story of the WA wheatbelt abattoir project, that did not originate with PALE.

And if the GCB DID do the story, why did you claim on other fora that it didn't? Why did you tell such lies? Against whom were you trying to score points at that time?

And who said the Cole enquiry was the "largest Royal Commission to be held in Australia"? Have you evidence of that? A quick search of Royal Commissions suggests otherwise. It was only more remarkable because of the politicians who were called to give evidence.

Meanwhile, here is something you may have overlooked:

Nomination for Young Australian of the Year - Western Australia

Annabelle Coppin - 24
Beef cattle producer
Growing up on an isolated cattle property in the Pilbara, Annabelle Coppin has risen to become a spokesperson and leading light in the live-export industry. She currently manages a 2300-hectare property, and recently became one of the youngest people in Australia ever to be awarded the prestigious Nuffield Scholarship. which she will use to study beef export trends by going to the Middle East, Indonesia and South America. Annabelle has shown great initiative and displayed a maturity and character well above her age. She is a dynamic advocate for her industry and is always working hard to improve the beef trade.

http://www.australianoftheyear.org.au/pages/page483.asp

Nicky