Yabby

I think we have been there and done this before- Havent We?

I pointed out to you some time ago that the only person you seem to have convinced on this forum is Belly:)

You have got addmitt its a total crack up. ie.=

*I remind you that it was union thuggery that largely closed down
cattle plants in the NW. ...

Then this from Belly:)
I find myself agreeing with yabby far more often ....

And this - from Yabby
*But these rational arguments are clearly beyond you.*

Yabbs this is Hilarious!

*Gertrude, your vivid imagination and jump to conspiracy theories would be best used onthe ghost thread, where likeminded individuals can agree with you :)

Hey Yabbs It just so happens I think the ghost thread is the best on this forum. I am not selfish so I will provide you with some amusment as you have us.

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I take it Yabby by your last comment you 'refuse' as a sheep farmer to make a comment on the live lambs being tossed to the lions? (which was your big chance) to show farmers DO care about their animals. Is that right Yabby? You too Belly?


Yabby
I have tried not to be personally offensive to you because that would be counter productive for the animals and Australia.

However if anybody understands the industrys problems its you.
You say you have encouraged more plants to be reopended and I beleive that TBO.
However you seem to put far more time into pushing the live trade.
You could have spent more time telling Nicky of some of the difficulties.
Many dont understand its not the farmers but 'the system'.

In days gone by farmers were not chickens.

The meat industry including Roos is riddled with corruption and you know it.

How sad to see nobody was game to give evidence at the enquiry.

Yabby,
Belly is not the only one that agrees with your viewpoint, so do not stop posting on threads regarding animals. We need someone who is currently in farming/grazing animals to give balance to some of the extreme and irrational views of animal rights advocates. Take PETA and mulesing as an example. They obviously have never seen a sheep being eaten alive by maggots let alone appreciate that mulesing can prevent that.

Belly is right in that the baby whale has been forgotten and the opportunity seized by some to mount their soapbox on animal rights.

I had thought that PALE was a bit more realistic by advocating and endeavouring to encourage an alternative to live exports, by establishing more abbatiors here. But sadly. after seeing PALES attitude to the baby whale it is obviopus that emotion rules and practicality is not even considered.

Banjo
I am sorry if I have upset you by going off topic
My comments about the whale were not based on media reports. It’s always the same with State govs there is “so much “confusion- lack of communication disorganization.
The whale is dead and it suffered too long in my honest opinion....
I will confess to being unsure what to do about all animal cruelty.
I am not a person who politically correct. I get so frustrated by all of that. If you knew the protection given to animal cruelty across the board .Recently we got for example evidence of poultry being lowed into fire alive to burn their feathers off before being lowered into boiling water.
Ok you say then show us. Wish it were that easy. You can’t show upsetting footage because it might upset people especially children.
If I had my way I would show it to every person in Australia.

People need to know what’s happening to get the public support to make changes. If you could see these intensive pig farms poultry farms and live exports I think you would be as horrified as us.

PETA do handle live exports in a different manner. I wish they would help to reopen plants and build them with the highest standards possible. BUT- not in this life time … I also acknowledge they have every right to protest animal cruelty in any way they wish.


Tell me honestly. What do you think of throwing LIVE lambs to lions?
Or if you like tossing a live baby whale to the lions.
For example do you think there is a difference possibly?

Yabby
You resort to personal insults when I ask you questions.
In that area you could actually learn from Belly who hasn’t been too scared to show his softer side and disclose something more of himself such as on the Ghost Thread.
Sometimes the manliest thing to do is give an insight into your soul. That is if you have one of course:)

Hi all
I agree, we have lost sight of the baby whale, and the other matters raised here could be raised on the threads current for that purpose. What is the "ghost" thread?

Can I refer those interested in the Chinese zoos and fur industry issues to that thread?

Nicky

PALE,
You did not upset me by going off topic, I simply acknowledged that the topic was lost. Before the live exports thing is gone can you (or perhaps Yabby) inform me as to how live sheep exporters can pay far more for mutton sheep than our mutton wholesalers do? I suspect it is the high cost of processing here and if so we can expect live exports for a long time yet.

There is lots of animal treatments I do not like but I hope the worst are done elsewhere than here. Like the burning feathers off live chooks. I trust that is in some foreign country. You showed us some pictures, by link, of skinned dogs which was not pretty so other links could be put up, with suitable warnings. Oh, and I would like to stop importing people of those cultures that flout ourT laws by holding cockfights. Ditto for those that carry out FGM on girls.

I do not like the tossing of live animals to lions. But I notice that wildlife documentaries only show clean kills by predators. Like a kitten playing with a mouse the young have to learn and that is not pretty to watch as some prey die much later from infection. Big cats reintroduced back into the wild have to be taught to kill. We never see pictures of that process. These things happen in other countries and I want to keep it that way. I can voice objection but basicly it is their business.

Reported this morning that a large pod of killer whales off south coast of NSW. This is ominous for any whale calves that can't keep up when heading back south

*I suspect it is the high cost of processing here*

Banjo, that is only part of the story. Yes, we lumber our export
industries with all sorts of taxes and charges, like payroll tax,
which are not applied in other parts of the world. But in that
case, in a healthy market, mutton prices in Sydney and Perth would
be similar, for costs would be similar. That is simply not the case.

I regularly benchmark prices between Dubbo and Katanning. Mr Fletcher
owns plants near both those saleyards. Over time I have seen prices
in Dubbo close to double those of Katanning. These differences seem
to be nothing other then competition, which exists in Eastern Australia,
but hardly in WA, for a number of reasons, mostly
political.

The live trade supplies a whole different market. In places like
Kuwait, you have large abattoirs, who supply the wet meat trade with
fresh meat every day. They buy animals from anywhere they can.
The vet there claims that the big difference is that what is done
in say Australia, is not really halal. I guess that is really
up to consumers to decide, where they want to spend their money.
It is also a relgious argument, within that particular religion.
I guess its a bit like the Jewish argument, which states that
an animal is not kosher, if shot with a stun gun first.

Yes, some animals in the ME are sold privately, but there are also
people in Australia, going to saleyards, to buy and butcher their
own meat. Most of them, as I understand it, land up in one of these
meatworks, as Govts are discouraging home slaughter, its a messy
business