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That baby whale

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Nicky
You know it’s amazing you know so much about how others feel about pale while at the same time denying you are involved with them.

Whatever- but can we stick to the animals for once. Its untrue nobody was against reopening abattoirs. Dear God we have it on letter heads. PETA refuse to debate it.

*Nobody is telling people not to eat meat*
Oh no Nicky, just not to talk to pale 'the animal killers.' You made it 'very clear' in two years you are our enermy-

You seem to take offense to ‘any comment’ I make Nicky if it doesn’t ‘comply’ with the dictators and I don’t ask permission to speak.

Regardless of 'who' was working to reopen abattoirs it might have been better to have helped instead of blocking.

Also as you well know Nicky our involvement, was not a financial gain but one of giving.
Any plants reopening- or new plants were to receive a donation from the co joint operators which was going back as a donation to other groups.

If I *were to be an owner then wouldn’t it be better to have someone who cared enough to make sure the stock was treated as well as possible.
Wouldn’t it be kinder to make sure that ALL owners held a deep respect for animals and demanded their staff treat them better than they have been

How do you ever expect to make changes for the better if you don’t get involved in the industry?
Have you ever stopped to think things through, instead of being so emotional about animals being killed at all.

I feel JUST the same as you but I am not selfish enough to put my head in the sand Nicky. I love animals enough to do what has to be done to make it as easy as possibly.

You just want to argue because you cant change the world. Pretty self indulgent. Sorry But I am sick of trying to be polite while you attack pale and their fantasic unpaid helpers.
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Saturday, 30 August 2008 1:14:11 AM
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Nicky
*They rely on the support of their members, most of whom would be meat eaters. I suspect that what they drew the line at was PROFITEERING from slaughtering animals, according to your model. And possibly the bullying that has gone on.*

Again for someone who claims to have no connection you sure do seem to speak for them 100% of the time. Here’s the thing Nicky you really need to start thinking for you.

*I suspect that what they drew the line at was PROFITEERING from slaughtering*

Nicky the meat industry is tough and large you either get in or get someone to advise you who knows something about the industry or you don’t.

Who told you we were PROFITEERING? I must have missed that alert warning email. Funny I had most of them sent on to me- buy a sheep farmer actually. A sheep farmer who had a lot more knowledge and experience than you who supported to co joint project a hundred percent just like Bridgett Bardott and many other animal lovers.

TBO I really think the main problem is that PALE thought to start this program and they didn’t. Just like it’s a huge problem with you and your buddies that pale works in conjunction with RSPCA QLD.

*Bullying* Ok Nicky you want to talk about Bullying? Are you SURE.

I have never posted on OLO about the attempts at Bullying but maybe it’s not such a bad idea now you raise it.

Only the Federal Government are aware on both sides- but I suppose your right we really ought to consider telling the public everything.

Often they use a single person to call up RSPCA QLD (who are not falling for those tricks) or write to the department of fair trading etc.
Ring any bells Nicky. Oh and BTW I have a lovely letter from WSPA HERE WHO IS KIDDING WHO?

Tell ME Nicky DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THESE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE LIVE EXPORTS DIVERTED TO CHILL?
I MEAN YOU’RE NOT THAT GULLABLE- are you?

Sorry TYPO PROBLEM
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Saturday, 30 August 2008 1:41:49 AM
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Banjo, in WA about 70-80% of livestock never see a saleyard, as
few farmers trust them, so they are becoming more a point to unload
bits and pieces, small lines etc.

Because we have so few buyers and more and more contract buyers,
they can easily move saleyard prices to suit themselves. At least
in the East, you have quite alot more competition, which is reflected
in the price to growers.

Most stock are now sold weight and grade, or on farm. But of course
if there is only one major mutton buyer and he is offering 20 bucks,
who do you ring for a better price? The buyers know that. That is
why the live trade is so critical to WA agriculture.

*A Kuwaiti vet in a Kuwaiti slaughterhouse is going to say what he is paid to say, just like your "experts" here do.*

Nicky,around the world, professional people express their opinions. Our
courts rely on those opinions, our Govts rely on those opinions.
Its rather insulting of you to all professionals, to suggest that
they are unable to express what they think. The most biased people
I know are in fact the religious, who sing from their philosophical
hymn sheet, as you do.

Anyhow, as consumers in the ME are clearly voting with their wallets,
it is for them to decide what they believe, not for you to decide.
Posted by Yabby, Saturday, 30 August 2008 11:44:12 AM
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Yabby, for someone who preaches incessantly, repetitively and relentlessly from the MLA gospel, you are the last person to be accusing someone else of doing that. It's a sad state of affairs that courts and governments rely upon the sorts of "paid experts" you describe, because they usually have vested/commercial interests.

"Voters" in the Middle East ARE doing so with their wallets, the volume of the frozen meat trade clearly demonstrates that. It is only a matter of time, unfortunately for you and your cohorts.

PALE, how on earth did this become yet another soapbox for you to spew your venom about every other animal advocate in Australia and overseas? I have absolutely no idea to what email alert or sheep farmer you refer, nor do I act upon anyone's instructions. I have simply drawn my own conclusions based on the ridiculous paranoia you keep repeating endlessly here. The fact that PALE and HKM (the slaughterhouse venture) seem to share at least one common director/president draws clear parallels; even YOU must see how that appears to other animal advocates; individuals and groups. I actually only know what other groups think of PALE because YOU keep endlessly making these bizarre and paranoid claims. I also have no idea what Animals Australia, Animal Liberation, AAQ, PETA, WSPA or anyone else has said has said to you or about you since I have not discussed you with any of them. Furthermore, it is YOU who keep using the term "animal killers" - I have not heard it from anyone else.

When I referred to bullying, I refer to a number of people who were gullible enough to contact PALE on request, only to find themselves harassed to death; there is plenty of evidence of that on these threads without any additional research. And if you want to cite Brigitte Bardot, it would be good if you learned how to spell her name.

Nicky
Posted by Nicky, Saturday, 30 August 2008 8:01:38 PM
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*It's a sad state of affairs that courts and governments rely upon the sorts of "paid experts" you describe, because they usually have vested/commercial interests.*

Ah of course, Governments have it all wrong, courts have it all
wrong. Only Nicky and friends are unbiased. Hehe, what are you
smoking there ?

*the volume of the frozen meat trade clearly demonstrates that. It is only a matter of time, unfortunately for you and your cohorts.*

What the volume of frozen meat shows is that different consumers
have different opinions and different beliefs, just like in
Australia. Its up to them to decide, not up to you to tell them
what to buy.
Posted by Yabby, Saturday, 30 August 2008 9:15:51 PM
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*The fact that PALE and HKM (the slaughterhouse venture) seem to share at least one common director/president draws clear parallels;

* Even YOU must see how that appears to other animal advocates;*...

Nicky
I think I *do see* how forming direct partnerships with overseas investors and farmers might appear ‘to some’- yes.

I have long been suspicious of why the millions raised in donations have not been used in major advertising – or even to buy free range farms and run them as business putting one hundred percent back into animal welfare.

pale can’t be worried about offending the small percentage of people or vegetarians groups.
The fact is 98% of the Australian public do eat meat and btw the love our Aussie farmers.

That is why we work with RSPCA QLD. Even if you do not like it they are the legal body for animal welfare in this country.

RSPCA are main stream in their views so hold some credibility when they protest live exports with the public.

We all have different ways and approaches of handling animal welfare (which is a good thing)

Tell me has it ever occurred to that having others protest the live export market -from a totally different approach actually gives you some credibility.

Now the Government cant say ALL Animal Welfare Groups are veggie extremists. That actually helps the animals which is our first concern.

I put it to you that- you have lost some credibility not only for yourself but for those you support, by 'again' making such an 'issue' of our HKM program.


HKM is a project that’s is a united effort of PALES staff Muslim Leaders and RSPCA QLD (and a very kind lawyers who give their time for free)

I don’t have a problem to debate you on the feelings and position of pale verses others- and their written and unwritten attitude.

However ask yourself are you really helping the animals by making such posts as you have above.
It only plays into Yabbys hands and that of the live exporters media and Government.
Posted by People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming, Sunday, 31 August 2008 12:03:35 AM
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