Yabby, you will support any argument for animal cruelty if there is a quid in it, and you know it. Just as shipping cattle "across the pond", as you put it gives those farmers a quid, regardless of what happens to the animals in Indonesia (or the Philippines, or China)

Speaking of China, PALE is quite right. By your silence (or poor taste frivolity) on that thread you are making a clear statement that what the Chinese do to animals is just fine with you.

PALE, I think I got that information from the ABC; I can't remember for sure now. But it's possible that, if there was such a formula it may have done more harm than good in terms of prolonging the agony of the humpback calf. Who knows for sure? I DO know that I would have hated her to spend her lifetime in captivity though.

Nicky

*Yabby, you will support any argument for animal cruelty if there is a quid in it, and you know it.*

Bollocks. Farmers rely on qualified academics and industry people
to make informed judgements, not on fanatical vegans, who have
a problem wearing leather shoes. Your philosophy is the problem,
but that is your problem, not our problem. Sending whole agricultural
industries bankrupt to suit your vegan agenda is not going to happen,
sorry.

*Speaking of China, PALE is quite right. By your silence (or poor taste frivolity) on that thread*

Ahem, my thread was a completely different topic, different
issue. It had nothing at all to do with animal welfare in China.

I remind you that there is animal cruelty in Australia. The
Olympics were also held in Australia. Should we not have held
our Olympics here, because there is cruelty here? Do you girls
have any brains at all, anywhere?

Yabby dearest
Nicky’s thread -Why fur is never cool- was the thread I was speaking of.

Here was your big chance. That was a good opportunity for you to say oh dear me as a sheep farmer I was “horrified” to hear of baby lambs being tossed live to feed lions for peoples amusement.

I am so disturbed by this Nicky allow me to help you by starting a petition and asking all the farmers to sign it.

We don’t always agree on everything with you Nicky but you are correct about this.
This is horrible. Good on you for bringing this to the public’s attention. As a sheep farmer I” thank you.”

I will write to Kevin Rudd and ask him next time he is speaking Mandarin to raise this barbaric treatment of sheep and lambs.

Yabby Said

Bollocks. Farmers rely on qualified academics and industry people
To make informed judgments,

Pale comments

Hilarious Nicky, Mr. Tony Burke the MINISTER just completed his first little tour as = Wait for it. The new kid on the block.

Oh Guess what Nicky he actually visited a farm. Can you imagine that!

He visted old friends that he hadnt seen for ten years- how lovely .

They met him in the middle of a padock with a bottle of bubbly- (dusty business this industry of sending animals off alive to have their eyes pulled out with bare hands then bash and bash them into a run.)

Tony Burke mentioned PETA in America and called them extremists.

He didnt tell the public about the many Australian Groups such as the RSPCA and dozens of others.
Clearly that was to mislead the public- But wait then again it is possible that Tony Burke has never heard of the RSPCA or PAACT or the hundreds of others.

He could have also missed the five segmants on 60 minutes and the others such as the 7,30 report. Poor chap.

Maybe Kevin kept him locked up while he plotted his pre election pitch with Kerry.

Excellent comment, PALE. I think there is a petition about the Chinese fur industry which I promised to find but haven't managed yet. By all means start one about Chinese zoos too. Yabby, this is about the some of the most egregious cruelty the world has come across, but of course that wouldn't matter to you.

Nicky

Ah well, we have forgotten the baby whale, we now see the emotional response that we first talked about run riot.
Joe average is unlikely to listen to such, like it or not animal welfare is no better for it.
I find myself agreeing with yabby far more often than some in this debate, maybe Joe average does too.

*Here was your big chance.*

My big chance?. Hehe, you really do have a screw loose.