Hi all
For probably the first time in living memory, I agree with Yabby here; we are dealing with the "Bambi" factor (otherwise known as "speciesism"). Although this was a terribly sad situation, you've gotta wonder how many of those people crying on the beach went home and had some chicken or pork or eggs from an intensive farming operation, or beef or lamb and spared a thought for the hideous lives and deaths of billions of farmed animals every day.

PALE, it is not stated anywhere in that article that anyone knew what formula this calf needed, although one would expect that the Japanese, after all their "scientific research" should have been able to provide that information. It was pointed out that "Colette" would have needed massive amounts of krill, which would have had to be sourced from the Antarctic though. Also, there has been one whale calf saved in the US, but it was a different species, a "Grey Whale", not a humpback.

And as others have pointed out - had she been saved, would she have been condemned to a life in captivity? Remember Keiko; if there is a whale over whom tears should be shed it was Keiko.

Nicky

Well said Nicky. My only point of difference would be that I agree with Yabby somewhat more frequently than you do :)

Nicky
I do not know what article you are refering to but its common knowledge the formular was on the net- All while the authorties claimed no such formular exisisted.
Its also common koowledge that people with far more experience including a Dr flew into Australia wanting to at least TRY to feed it.
Their argument was that they were blocked from even trying.

They then argued that if they were to be blocked then at least put it down.
We didnt even allow them to try.
As far as it livng a life in sea world or wherever- there is no evidence that once it was stronger they would not have been able to link it up with another group of whales.
My point is clear. Why allow it to suffer for five full days if they knew they would not allow the experts who knew far more than us to try.
Whats hapended to the Aussie spirit of giving it a go.

Instead we stood back and did nothing for five longs days.
Five days Nicky! .
Shameful

Yabby
Better to wear a heart on the sleeve than to not have a heart bTW.
Tell me are you the damage control for the gov and Industry.?

I mean honestly you have been posting for years supporting the barbaric trade such as live animal exports and another thing to do with Government stuff ups and cruelty to animals.

Not one word about the post Nicky put up about China tossing live lambs to the lions to entertain its people ? Instead you opended a post saying well done China.

Your always around to defend the Government- either one for the industry.

Maybe your on the live animal exporters pay role or something.

Have you ever looked for a company link Nicky to whale hunting and certain companies.
Might be worth a look. Good point Nicky on Japan.

Yup! you would think they would have all the scienfitic answers to help a baby whale.
I mean after spending so much time 'studying' them.

Gertrude, your last post highlights why I seldom bother even to
respond to your posts these days. De Bono was right. Rational
arguments simply don't matter to many, as emotive instincts domimate.
So it is rather pointless even discussing things.

Of course I defend the live trade. As the only Western Australian
farmer on OLO, who understands the importance of the trade to
WA agriculture, which covers a third of Australia, somebody has
to point out the many fallacies, distortions and outright lies put
up by the animal rights movement.

At the same time I have always promoted the concept of building more
slaughter capacity in this State. Anyone is free to go ahead and
do it. It is not unreasonable for WA farmers to at least expect
"average" Australian prices for their livestock. Not 50% below
average, just average.

If that market is then distorted for whatever reasons, be it
political, be it corruption, be it whatever, WA farmers, being
global players in agriculture, will taken action to ensure their
survival and that of their farms. Fair enough and I defend their
right to do that.

I remind you that it was union thuggery that largely closed down
cattle plants in the NW. That those cattle are now exported to
Indonesia, just across the pond, makes perfect sense. As we can
show with modern shipping, the cattle do pretty well on that
journey, which takes around 4 days or so. That is little more
then they spend on some cattle trucks and saleyards in Australia.

But these rational arguments are clearly beyond you. I must be
paid by the industry or something similar. Gertrude, your vivid
imagination and jump to conspiracy theories would be best used on
the ghost thread, where likeminded individuals can agree with you :)

Yabby

*If* that market is then distorted for whatever reasons, be it
Political, be it corruption, be it whatever,

What do mean if. You know darn well it is.

*I remind you that it was union thuggery that largely closed down
Cattle plants in the NW*.


Then why don’t you and your lot “say it loudly." Why don’t you all stand up to the Government and the live export shipping agents- Too scared that’s why. Quietly mostly farmers disagree with live exports but quietly isn’t good enough.

*That those cattle are now exported to Indonesia, just across the pond, makes perfect sense...


How does it make perfect sense for our tax payer’s dollars to be spent building plants in another country? Do not bother to tell me that grants are not given to these companies so they can err, help with infrastructure to improve Animal Welfare.

Why should we supply employment for overseas and the expense of 'our' country towns.

How they are treated it’s well documented. Even the Muslims themselves have asked for more plants to be reopened in Australia sighting animal cruelty.



*At the same time I have always promoted the concept of building more
Slaughter capacity in this State...


How have you promoted It.? Did you even bother to meet with Muslim People? You were asked.

"They DONT TRUST the Government either for your information!

Shows you they are not that stupid after all ah

The only request they made was to meet with farmers at grass roots levels but that’s impossible with the corruption of MLA and FF.

Do you know how many Malaysian investors have contacted WA FF and PA.? "Plenty."
Do you know what they told them they wanted to do?

To invest in Abattoirs in WA. That’s right but you guys never heard one word about it. No of course not.

Your so called reps are NOT looking after the farmers but instead the industry of the live shipping agents.

Your reps are your enemies but your lot are too stupid to see it- or lazy a or scared to.