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oh my God I am going to use this for my TV adds!
Your going to be famous G Y

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But I don't think this is an issue about religion per se. It would ""be a pretty poor world if the only ideology that wasn't allowed in politics was religion! I think the issue is one of transparency and inclusiveness.
Posted by GrahamY, Saturday, 19 August 2006 12:19:05 PM

The lord is my Shepherd and a good Shepherd lays down his life for his sheep.
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These are just a few of your quotes that you DONT want posted on the church Turns its back On Animal Welfare Responsibility forum

Your a Hypocrite Grahmam Y

SHAME ON YOU AND CHURCH LEADERS

Ozgirl Any bloke who hangs out talking about womens personal biz is 'Off'

You wont get anywhere with this bunch of loosers. Anyway Yeh contact me..
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oh by the way there is a thing called a tape recorder Philo.

The only people who would go to some place like these so called servises are ladies with problems by being pregnant.

So if a lady has a problem shes mostly going to be looking for a way out of the problem
Silly really when you think of it.
However its clearly another Church Government kick back like the AWB and the blood money we pay to send millions of animals on death ships.
All this while these Dicks talk about iF or iF not something thats not even! born should be made to enter this terrible world.

A world where millions of people are suffering and starving to death.

A unsafe world by your own predictions.

Think about it.

The only reason this lot post here is they hate women and hate even more women have stopped allowing men to control them.

See you onboard Yappy. That is! if you can draw yourself away from this terribly! interesting forum.

Yo Ozgirl perhaps G Y and Philo could join Yappy and Cameron on the Cruise ship.

What do you reckon Ozgirl?

A question for Philo

A woman is in your care. She is 8 weeks pregnant.

She is emphatic that she does not want to continue the pregnancy.

She is absolutely distraught.

There is no way she wants to have a baby.

She needs help to go to a doctor who can abort the foetus.

Do you help her?

Straight answer please. No fudging.

Yes?

or

No?

Scout,
If a woman has an eight week feotus and she does not want it she will not seek counselling she will seek a doctor who will perform her wish.

Women who are confused or being pressured by parents, boyfriends or husband will seek assistance to determine her options. Counsellors will not make her decisions for her, they present options. However left wing population protagonists will advise an abortion is the best option. They do not have the care services in place to assist those who wish to give birth to a child.

Rex,
I will never need counselling services myself, however I know mature caring and balanced women who are family counsellors. In fact two women in my life have cared for birth mothers who are going through the painful decision of whether to adopt their child or mother the child herself. Ive been involved by caring for fostering infants in the period of the mother making her decision from three days adoption or to fostering till six months. The fact is some of the mothers when witnessing the care of my wife made the decision to seek the care ministries of my Church in the raising of her child.

It is disturbing that the passions of persons like Wendy could not be equally focused upon the need of care for abused children. A foetus at eight weeks has all its human features, nerve system and heartbeat. They feel the pain also.

Thank you for your reasoned response, Philo.

I believe that every pregnancy counselling service should be prepared to discuss, in a balanced, non-judgemental manner, the full range of legal options. And any which are found to be not doing this should be warned and, if they keep on not providing the service they are supposed to give, barred from working in this field.

As far as I am concerned, being unreasonably pressured into having an abortion is just as bad as being unreasonably pressured into not having one.

I have no doubt that many very caring people work for Pro Life agencies. But I suggest that their deeply held religious beliefs make them virtually incapable of discussing abortion as an option in a totally impartial way.

I will draw a comparison. I have friends who are Jehovah's Witnesses. They are some of the nicest people anyone could wish to meet and, in business, almost unbelievably honest. But, quite obviously, they could not be put in charge of a blood transfusion unit.

When it comes to having a personal cause to be passionate about, well it's a good thing that our priorities are not all the same. There are many worthy causes and charities in the world. If we all chose the same one to campaign for and support financially, well one would get the lot and all the others would go short. I believe that you are a charitable person at heart, Philo. May I suggest that you try to recognise the charity which exists in the hearts of others.

Philo, the thing is that the Catholic Church, coming from the papa
himeself, has ackowledged that it cannot deliver objective abortion
councelling, its against their religion basically.

This became a really big issue in Germany:

http://www.prochoiceforum.org.uk/psy_comm7.asp

So its really frawd to call it councelling, for its highly biased,
with a religious agenda, not what they claim to be. I disagree with
you that women at week 8 don't need advise and know exactly what they
want. They need to be presented with all options, in an unbiased way, not pushed and shoved towards a religious agenda.

Scout, given Wendy's tirades, outburts and abuse of various subscribers on here, perhaps you could counsel her on anger management, the ability to separate emotion from reason, or just
buy her a copy of Goleman's "Emotional Intelligence." :) People
debating on here are not 5 year olds and should not behave like they
were. We can agree to disagree, based on rational arguments,
but unreasoned emotional outburts which take on the role of the
pathetic, are just a waste of space quite frankly. As her friend
perhaps you could help her a bit there