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Religion creeps into politics by stealth
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Posted by Yabby, Friday, 18 August 2006 2:35:10 PM
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These deliberately deceptive so-called counselling services need setting up. Phone conversations need to be recorded and, if inappropriate tactics and/or language are used, these recordings should be aired through the media.
And personal consultations should be secretly recorded too. Then we'd find out for sure what kind of advice was being offered. Tony Abbott is probably psychologically unable to admit to the deception. Or maybe he's so brainwashed that he can't even see it. What about 'Don't bear false witness'. It's amazing, isn't it, how religious control freaks selectively ignore this Commandment and instead seem to prefer 'the end justifies the means'. False and/or deceptive advertising is supposed to be illegal in Australia. How about a simple statement like 'This is a counselling service which does not generally support abortion as an option, but is happy to advise on various other options'. But, just like shonky salespeople and confidence tricksters, they're not honest enough to simply tell the truth. Posted by Rex, Friday, 18 August 2006 3:46:01 PM
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I'd be interested to know who all those services are. Seems extraordinary if it is true that they are all pro-life.
But I don't think this is an issue about religion per se. It would be a pretty poor world if the only ideology that wasn't allowed in politics was religion! I think the issue is one of transparency and inclusiveness. Posted by GrahamY, Saturday, 19 August 2006 12:19:05 PM
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I agree about transparency and inclusiveness. The question for me
is how far religious ideology should be allowed to influence members of Govt, in their decisionmaking for the rest of us. Lets say that the Health Minister was a JW. Upon ringing Govt funded Health Councelling services, people were told that blood transfusions were evil and people should not have them. There would be a huge outcry! If the Health Minister was a Muslim and some Islamic ideology was being promoted, there would similarly be a huge outcry! The Catholic Church is an extremely political organisation, on a worldwide scale. Every pro-life group that I have checked out, has led back to them. Are these councellors qualified? What about deceptive advertising? I have no problem with freedom of religion, but I also believe in freedom from religion, for those of us who think its hogwash. Posted by Yabby, Saturday, 19 August 2006 3:46:35 PM
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It seems that there is a bit of a development on this story.
My politics is issue based, not party based. I've often been a critic of Natasha, but this time I think she got it right, trying to introduce truth of advertising into the "pregnancy councelling" industry. After all, any company that falsely advertises it's goods or services, is soon dragged over the coals. That was the point of Natasha's bill, but the way I read it, it was canned by a liberal member, who has received funding from the Right to Life mob. The conspiracy deepens! http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/mp-who-felled-abortion-ad-bill-funded-by-lobby/2006/08/19/1155408071255.html Posted by Yabby, Sunday, 20 August 2006 3:22:44 PM
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Greens Senator Kerry Nettle has some interesting things to say on this:
http://www.kerrynettle.org.au/300_campaigns_sub.php?&deptItemID=41 This is why the alleged deceptive advertising is not investigated: 'In October last year Kerry wrote to Mr Graeme Samuel of the Australian Competition & Consumer Commission (ACCC) asking him to investigate whether misleading or deceptive practices of particular pregnancy counselling services were in breach of the Trade Practices Act. The ACCC replied that as these services do not charge fees for the counselling they provide, they are outside the jurisdiction of the Trade Practices Act.' Seems that if you're giving away the 'counselling' equivalent of snake oil, rather than selling it, then you can get away with it! And this is how to separate the honest counselling services from the deceptive ones: 'Click here for the latest online version of the Greens Online Guide to Pregnancy Counselling Services If you would like to be sent hard copies of the Guide please contact my office on 02 9690 2038 or send your request including your postal address and the amount required via email to: Senator.Nettle@aph.gov.a' Posted by Rex, Sunday, 20 August 2006 5:31:42 PM
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http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2006/s1716798.htm
Lateline broadcast this programme a couple of nights ago.
The transcript link is above.
People who had rung some of these so called "hotlines" were accused of being murderers and worse. None of these organisations seems to be providing genuine bipartisan advice. AFAIK, all pro-life groups have a religious agenda, with the Catholic Church heavily involved. The way I see it, taxpayers funds are effectively being used to promote a religious agenda! I think that stinks.