http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5309376.stm

There ya go Strewthy ! At least the Jews are not after
your infidel blood :)

The profundity of the man's thought, the sweep of his vision...truly awesome!

I wish this god would bloody come and get on with it and choose the ones he wants to become immortal so they can poke tongues and say "Told Ya He Liked Us Better, So There" and make the ones who didnt behave too badly stay here on this earth to do detention and write lines for a hundred years before he decides to love us or leave us to be dammed and mortal.

Or maybe the space ships will return and take us to Ork or Supermans home planet.
It is getting as good as The Young and the Restless. Now that is true damnation to be made to watch reruns for eternity.
Yes I am blasphemous, but it is my soul that will burn so it wont matter to anyone else. I am also tired of going to countries every 3 months and picking through the carcasses of your loved ones who hated their neighbours and their piece of dirt more than they loved their god and doing what they could to prepare their hearts for his coming. Anyone who believes a life is worth less than a stone can make no excuse for why they hate them to make it justifiable to me. I go over for my love of what we could be and not what we allow ourselves to be.

When will people admit politicts and religion are synonymous for views of reality. One is not the opposite of the other: or exclusive of the other.

For instance: example - how we view environment will determine our views of town planning and development. Secularists wish for huge complex cities because of economic reasons; of 6,000 - 10,000 persons per hectare in the City. As a Christian my view is for community planning of not more than 60 - 100 persons per hectare in confined Cities. People are of more value in community than in isolation in huge high rises.

It is what we view as principle values will determine how we plan our lives.

Philo, you are stretching things a bit, talking about Christianity,
town planning and what Xtians think. Your view is just yours, not
the view of your religion.

Some of the greatest environmentalists, who say that one can't
just keep crowding more and more people onto the planet, are in
fact secular people.

The Catholic Church OTOH, a Christian religion IIRC, keeps wanting
to cram more millions onto the planet, bugger the environment.
All very sad really.

Philo

You cannot even claim what other christians want. You can only claim what YOU want.

In the same vein, your statement: "Secularists wish for huge complex cities because of economic reasons"

Is completely lacking in validity, not all secularists want the same thing anymore than all christians. Again you are assuming things over which you have absolutely no idea.

For example, while Yabby, Ludwig and myself have been arguing for sustainable living (which flies in the face of your claim about 'huge, complex cities') we hold different ideas on how this can be achieved.

Your assumptions are limiting your abilities to learn and grow. Just as sharia law or christian ideology can limit our society and our politics from progress and evolution.