Yes Haganah Bet welcome.

This may trump Steel's "height of rudeness" but it is interesting to me what nicknames people use on OLO when they don't use their real names. A casual glance may see you and Boaz-David getting on swimmingly but I will refrain from judgement just yet. May I ask why you chose Haganah Bet?

"Irgun (Hebrew: shorthand for HaIrgun HaTzva'i HaLe'umi BeEretz Yisra'el, "National Military Organization in the Land of Israel") was a militant Zionist group that operated in Palestine between 1931 and 1948. It was established as a militant offshoot of the earlier and larger Jewish paramilitary organization Haganah (Hebrew: "The Defense",). For secrecy reasons, people often referred to the Irgun, during that time, as Haganah Bet."

"Irgun's tactics, which included bus and marketplace bombings, were condemned by both the British mandate authorities and the mainstream Jewish leadership, the Jewish Agency."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun

"Several Jews were wounded. In response Haganah-bet fired on a trainload of Arabs."
Terror Out of Zion: The Fight for Israeli Independence By J. Bowyer

Haganah Bet, your post makes little sense and I'm having trouble tyring to understand it's randomness.

By the way don't you think this statement of yours should require proof:

"It does not have the right to fund International Terrrorists and fund the murder of thousands of people."

It is also a name associated with Likud and some of the settlers I think you wil find... But that aside, the name is of some symbolic note and a proud history:

The founder of Irgun/Etzel, one Ze'ev Jabotinsky, was a co-founder of the Zion Mule Corps, which amongst other places, accompanied the ANZACS to Gallipoli:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ze%27ev_Jabotinsky

The leader of Irgun/etzel in 1948, one Menachem Begin, interestingly the winner of the Nobel Peace Prize and also one of the men sentenced to death in absentia by the British, is an idol of mine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Begin

He demonstrated that peace without security was an illusion and that true peace could never be acheived in the region without the power to demand it. His doctrine:

"On no account shall we permit an enemy to develop weapons of mass destruction (WMD) against the people of Israel."

A statement made in relation to the Osira reactor in Iraq, still has resonance today...

Let us see if Hamas/Hizbollah can ever boast the same level of acheivement, shall we?

Why Steel, is the problem the big words, or the fact you cannot argue the point?

To continue - Steel, are you honestly doubting that Iran is directly tied to Hizbollah? I would cite references to support the contrary view, but you seem to prefer to choose your own, so here is a google search on the terms: Iran + Hizbollah:

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=hizbollah+iran&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

Please follow the link and pick whichever one you choose.

Or is it that you deny that Hizbollah is a terrorist organisation? It is listed as such in this Country, go challenge it succesfully in the High Court and someone might agree with you...

http://www.austrac.gov.au/files/aic50_ausgov_relist_terlorg.pdf

http://www.ag.gov.au/www/agd/rwpattach.nsf/VAP/(153683DB7E984D23214BD871B2AC75E8)~Attachment+A+-+AG_s.PDF/$file/Attachment+A+-+AG_s.PDF

Finally, are you suggesting that there is ANY doubt that Hizbollah is directly responsible for the deaths of thousands? If so you are an idiot. Even Keith in all his glory would hesitate to deny that which the group themselves boast of.

Steel,

You are unbelievable. I supply you with a dozen other references of Ahmedinejhad threatening the Israeli state, and yet you still insist that “the wiped off the map” quote is a disinformation campaign. Even if the direct quote is “[the regime should be] removed from the pages of time”, to suggest that this does not constitute a direct threat to Israel is to live in some parallel reality. And Ahmedinejhad was agreeing with this statement made by Khomeini …“This cancerous tumour of a state [Israel] must be removed from the region.” Moreover, There’s literally dozens of other quotes, some of which I provided, (and you ignored, why?? Do you accept the reality) which contain threats against Israel? How can you seriously suggest that there is not a pattern of threatening behaviour towards Israel’s existence?

Steel >>”Your list of facts about Iran are really opinions...and those of a country that has already lied to the international community and launched an aggressive war on another nation (usa).”

That’s absolute rubbish. The claims about Iran’s nuclear weapons program have been made by Iranian dissidents (Alirezza Jafarzadeh), by Israel, by the Saudis, and by most of the western world. See http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/nuke.htm and

… “Iran insists enrichment activities are intended for peaceful purposes, but much of the West, including the United States, allege that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran and

… “The Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS) published a series of analysed satellite images of Iran's nuclear facilities at Natanz and Esfahan. Featured in these images is a new tunnel entrance near the Uranium Conversion Facility (UCF) at Esfahan and continued construction at the Natanz uranium enrichment site. In addition, a series of images dating back to 2002 shows the underground enrichment buildings and its subsequent covering by soil, concrete, and other materials.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran and

… “A comprehensive list of Iran's specific "breaches" of its IAEA safeguards agreement, which the IAEA described as part of a "pattern of concealment," can be found in the, 2004 report of the IAEA on Iran's nuclear program.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran

TBC,

cont,

… “February 2006, the 35 member Board of Governors of the IAEA voted 27-3 to report Iran to the UN Security Council. The measure was sponsored by the United Kingdom, France and Germany, and it was backed by the United States. Two permanent council members, Russia and China, agreed to referral only on condition that the council take no action before March. The three members who voted against referral were Venezuela, Syria and Cuba”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran

… “On 31 July 2006 the UN Security Council demanded Iran suspend all enrichment and reprocessing related activities. In December they imposed a series of sanctions on Iran for its non-compliance with the earlier Security Council resolution deciding that Iran suspend enrichment-related activities without delay.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran

>> “No. The USA overthrew the Democratic government of Iran and installed a dictator in 1953. The USA aided Saddam Hussein in the Iran-Iraq”

Haganahbet has already dealt with the specious claims regarding the Shah. Tell me how nuclear weapons would have helped in that situation anyway?? And the US sold arms and provided satellite intelligence to the Iranians during the Iran-Iraq war. The Americans did not want either side to win. Israel, on the other hand, supported Iran throughout the war, providing weapons and attacking the Osirak reactor, which was producing materials which were intended to be used on Iran.

The real reason Iran has to fear the US is its pursuit of a nuclear weapons program. That the US, Israel and other Western countries have since threatened Iran’s nuclear program is proof of this. No one is saying “lets wipe out Iran” Most of the saber rattling has been directed towards the threat that Iran’s nuclear program poses to others.

So which of these is opinion??

- Iran is chasing nuclear weapons
- Iran is doing so in spite of UN resolutions to desist
- Iran refuses to negotiate on this point
- Iran has regularly threatened Israel’s existence
- Iran is the major supporter of Hezbollah,
- Iran has other terrorist proxies carry out atrocities worldwide
- Ahmedinejhad was hand picked by Kamanei