Hi all

Yabby, this discussion would have been better contained in the PETA thread, but of course, you have to spread your the gospel according to MLA as widely as possible. But don't you think that your endless denials of the reality of livestock industries in Australia and the live export industry are getting rather tired and boring? We have seen it all before, so many times.

You accuse me, and presumably Dickie of knowing nothing about animals. One does not have to have been a farmer (or even a veterinarian) to know gross animal abuse when they see it - and we have, time and time again in the Middle East, where you send your lambs. Having seen that, you are clearly still comfortable with doing so, and that is far, far worse than anything propaganda PETA has ever done. Did you notice for example, the children in the Middle East photographs watching impassively the torture of these animals? Now THAT is child abuse. Furthermore, it is a good thing if children are questioning these things, they SHOULD know the story "from paddock to plate", as Dickie describes it. They may be some hope for the next generation that way.

As for your website, if the people who put this document together are too cowardly to identify themselves as the authors and reference their material according to normal literary standards, they cannot be regarded as having any credibility. Now, let's get back to the regulations, lack thereof, and the total lack of enforcement and enforceability of them. Come up with something even slightly original too.

Nicky

My dear Yabby

You've resorted to latching onto a comic which further reduces the credibility of those you represent, particularly when, in the US last year, all movie critics were discussing the film "Mommy kills Animals." This was produced by Academy Award winner, Curt Johnson - nothing whatsoever to with PETA, who by the way, declined to participate in this very graphic but informative film.

Ben Stein, American writer/actor and gameshow host, who participated in the film (together with many other prominent people) declared that those who inflict pain on animals are: "creepy, miserable, selfish and evil."

He would of course, been referring to those who grew the 9 billion animals for slaughter, in the most appalling conditions in the US, the notorious and ignominious live exporters in Australia and let us not forget the vivisectionists who mutilated and tortured 6 million lab. animals during 2004 in Australia.

Ah Yabby, live sheep exporter, I think your days may be numbered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1uEplX1Vw8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOi-WVPoyQI

Dickie, you clearly never bothered to read the news report, to which I posted a link.
It was dated 2003, long before any movies were made. You also missed the comment
from the professional psychologist.

Yes, Peta use comic strips amongst other things, to suck in young impressionable
kiddies. Brainwashing kiddies works, as the Catholics know all too well.

Telling kiddies lies for Peta, is clearly no problem for you. You are nearly as
fanatical as the Taliban, the vegan Taliban!

Sadly, none of you girls have even twigged after all these years, that there is a live
trade, because there is no competitive meat industry in Western Australia. If there
was one, the boats would not find it worth their while coming here. You are both
so obsessed with hating farmers and farming, that thousands of farmers going broke
is what you hope for. I have news for you, the rest of Australia does not agree.

So for something like 28 years, you have failed in your objective. Keep dreaming!

Nicky, as I’ve pointed out before, given that the Queen Mary is not even good enough
for you, arguing about regulations is fairly pointless, for you will never
be satisfied. Besides, they are the business of the shippers and AQIS, neither of
whom is answerable to every protester who happens to turn up on the wharf.

Nicky, as has been shown time and time again on here, you know so little about
sheep that you don’t understand the behavioural differences between sheep and
your pet pooch and they are large.

Maternal hormones are not enough to qualify you to pass informed comment about
livestock, leave that to people who are qualified.

But then fanatics driven by ideology and not be reasoned with, so I guess the debate
will just continue in circles, as it has for years now.

"You are nearly as fanatical as the Taliban, the vegan Taliban!"

Goodness gracious me Yabby.

How very uncharitable. Is it not you, who like the Taliban, torture and slaughter your victims?

'You are both so obsessed with hating farmers and farming, that thousands of farmers going broke is what you hope for.'

Tut tut Yabby. It is only the brutal ones we object to - certainly not the kindly, hardworking farmer.

And you poor thing Yabby. On and on you go about the Queen Mary, maternal hormones, cults, ideology, fanatics, Catholics, brainwashing, PETA, yet not a word about the unimaginable brutal treatment of the animals sent off on your ships of death. Oh yes, I've just been reminded to request from Mr Burke, a copy of the "regulations" pertaining to live exports. Perhaps Nicky has sighted them?

And please, Yabby, could you stay on topic, there's a good chap.

Hi all

Dickie, he can't stay on the topic, because he has proved he has nowhere to go. Quite frankly, if the moral decrepitude of the live export industry is all that keeps WA farmers afloat, then they deserve to go broke. Ethical businesses operate in line with community expectations, and gross animal cruelty is not consistent with the values of most of the community. What is hurting them all is how much the public knows about it now.

As for the Catholic church, the population explosion, the banks, the Queen Mary and AQIS (and I've already proved how worthless they are at what they do) I don't think I'll even bother going there again. We get the same tired old claptrap put up by Yabby every time because he CANNOT ADMIT that what happens to these animals WHEN THEY ARRIVE in these (Taliban inspired) countries is WRONG. He just doesn't want to go there because he cannot defend the indefensible. As for the gospel according to MLA, you can fit the number of people "working in animal welfare" in the Middle East in a phone box, and that explains what a tokenistic gesture it is, inspired solely by the fact that they have been exposed so often. How many million more animals should we send them to "practice" on, Yabby?

Yabby, you need to read up on what the Taliban is really about. It is violent and brutal, and that describes those involved in the livestock industries far better than it does animal advocates.

Nicky

Nicky, I preach the gospel according to Yabby and nobody else. As it happens,
what MLA have to say is far more rational and credible, then the nonsense
preached by the vegan cults which you support.

*Ethical businesses operate in line with community expectations,*

You Nicky, are not the community, nor do you represent their values. You are
a follower of extremist vegan cults, hardly mainstream. In fact you lot are so useless,
you have not even been able to persuade the general community to eat
free range eggs, rather then battery farmed eggs. So you stick to easy targets,
like boats pulling up at the wharf.

I remind you also, that farmers are primary producers, with a global focus.
Benchmarked internationally, WA farmers are some of the most efficient,
productive and competitive in the world. People like you have spent their
lives, riding on the sheeps back, because of farmers achievements.

Primary production is about producing commodities, like grains, meat etc.
The evidence shows that there is clearly global demand at healthy prices,
for the end products. Primary producers thus rely on suburbanites to move
these commodities to global markets, as efficiently as possible. If
suburbia is uninterested, too lazy, too slack to do these things, farmers will
do it without you, thus the live sheep trade.

Running livestock is a crucial part of grain and graze farming systems, which
are the most sustainable around right now. Sheep eat weeds, which is far
better then relying on too many herbicides as the other option.

Australia is spending 120 million bucks to bring the pope here, billions is
thrown at the MV industry, education industry, but there is no money for
an efficient meat industry?

That’s fine, we’ll do what we have to and ship them out right past you, as
you have left us no other choice.

Claiming that the ME is Taliban inspired, shows you how little you know
about the ME or the Taliban.

What we do know is that they are as fanatical as you lot, which was my
original point.