You want the truth. You cant handle the truth.

I have been around Animal Welfare all of my life and I know that telling people not to eat meat isnt animal welfare. Its extreme and stupid and it ends up having the reverse effect of helping animals.

Look at your above post. See how extreme it is. Your openly protesting pales efforts to reopen abattoirs.

Well Nicky then your not fair dinkim about stopping live exports thats very clear.

Animal Welfare inst Animal Liberation. They are two different things.

You are a very nasty person and I am a proud member of pale.

Nobody before has done what they have done by working to reopen abattoirs. Its what the others should have been doing for years.

As I said You cant handle the truth. Because the truth is extreme people protesting the public eating meat is working against the animals and not for them.

Give me the money and I will buy every abattoir possible to phase out the live export ships. I strongly oppose live exports.

I suppose it was only a matter of time before the PALE alter ego appeared (but using the same formatting style, oddly enough).

Still, I will indulge you. If this person is who she claims to be, I think on another thread she described herself as someone who is, or was, a slaughterhouse employee. Clearly a strong connection with animal welfare.

I suggest that you brush up a little on your comprehension skills. I have not at any time told people not to eat meat, nor have I "protested" PALE's "efforts to re-open slaughterhouses". I have declined to be part of it - nothing more, and that is my absolute right. I have also simply asked PALE to provide some HONEST answers about what it does - in effect, be honest about its real agenda. None has been forthcoming to date.

You say that the "others" should have been doing what PALE (claims to have been) doing. I have pointed out until I am bored senseless that each organization has its own philosophies and strategies, and these would appear to be diametrically opposed to the bloodlust PALE exhibits with its exhortations to everyone who contributes on these threads to work with it on its slaughterhouse projects. Ask yourself why no-one will.

Could it possibly be the relentless bullying, abuse and threats PALE levels at everyone who disagrees with it? Could it be that PALE is unable to provide honest, transparent and accountable responses to perfectly reasonable questions without threatening to "bring on the lawyers" (who may or may not exist in this context)? Could it be because PALE has driven almost every contributor to animal welfare threads away with its thuggish tactics?

If you are indeed a "proud member of PALE" perhaps you should review a few of its posts; perhaps you may be able to work towards improving these behaviours.

Nicky

To anybody reading this thread may I say this is what RSPCA President Hugh Wirth complained of for years.

He said Quote= You cant talk to these people, You cant reason with them, You cant sit down and discuss sensible alternatives with them because they "think" they walk a higher moral ground.

Note how Nicky continues to say shes not a member of any groups= Then goes on and on posting their their web sites their words their reports their agendas etc over and over.

Shes also an authority ( according to her on what the others think of pale. Lets face it Nicky knows everything and speaks on OLO for everybody.

Well Nicky If your an example how they Nick no wonder we havent had many wins for animals in the last 20 years.

Your quite correct about everybody having a right to work in their own manner to help Animals.

That is why I am speaking out about the way in which you so called Animal Groups operate.
You oppose pale and its very very clear thats the only reason you came into OLO after they joined.

The truth is you oppose pale some see them as a threat.

Nicky The truth is you have been tripping over yourselves trying to find out what else they are doing.

Of course its sensible for people who want to see improvements to the treatment of animals to work supporting the red meat industry.

Of course its sensible to make sure animals are killed here with the latest equiptment.

This is all we can really do. That is how you stop live exports. This is about the Animals not your selfish rants and raves.

With every post by "TarynW" and "Macropod Whisperer", it becomes clearer that PALE is one person posting under three different identities (after ranting about others doing just that). If you want to look a bit convincing try varying the writing style - surely at least one of these identities is capable of constructing a sentence that does not contain multiple spelling, grammatical, and punctuation errors (and spare me the claptrap about "Macropod Whisperer" being from a non-English speaking background too, this is clearly not written by someone whose first language is not English - it is blindingly obvious to everyone that it is written by the person who usually identifies as PALE. I wonder why?

I do not quote from the websites of other animal advocacy groups because I do not need to. And for you to now express support for Hugh Wirth after your earlier rantings about HIM is hypocritical in the extreme. I only know what others think of PALE because of what PALE - yes, PALE - has posted here, I have had no communications from any other groups about PALE, however I'd be amazed if anyone found PALE to be any sort of a threat. They are professional about what they do, that is the difference. They do not spend much of their time undermining the efforts of anyone and everyone, and claim that theirs is/are the only solution/s. What makes you think that none of them work with the meat industry? You have no monopoly on anything, and your strategy has gone nowhere. You should give in graciously to people who know what they are doing and have not maligned and tried to sabotage the efforts of some very fine people and organizations.

Get over yourselves. Your contribution to animal welfare has been zero in spite of all your protestations.

Nicky

One has to wonder too, what PALE's real relationship with RSPCA Queensland is. There is no mention of any funding support given to PALE in RSPCA Queensland's last two financial reports, and PALE receives only cursory mentions along with other groups in its Annual Reports. In the 2005-2006 report, it is simply mentioned thus:

"Our thanks to animal welfare organizations such as PALE and Animal Liberation Queensland with whom we work closely to raise the level of public awareness about these important campaigns and issues here in Queensland".

And in the 2006-2007 report, PALE is simply listed on one of the last pages as one organization on a page full of "thanks".

Hardly the close relationship that PALE lays claim to in its posts. The poster PF, I think it was, on another thread some time ago said that PALE had no right to be using the name RSPCA Queensland as it does, citing possible copyright violations. How much does RSPCA Queensland know about what is posted here by PALE about the RSPCA and other groups? And that PALE claims RSPCA Queensland support for what it says? Conversely, the Handle with Care Coalition, of which PALE has been so critical and so threatening, features prominently at the RSPCA Queensland website.

Nicky