Hi all

Yabby, when I looked at a link you provided, it said Trisolfen is a Schedule 3, not Schedule 4. In human terms, that is "pharmacy only" substance. But it sounds like your problem is with the veterinarians, and whichever government department which classified it as a S3. Either way, one would expect that organizations like the Pastoralists and Graziers and the NFF should be the ones to take this on. It would be to their benefit, after all.

PALE, as I said, DO get over yourself. No-one wanted to meet with you, obviously, because of the way you behave, abusing and insulting people at every opportunity. Do you really think anyone CARES that people refused to meet with you? What are "privy business leaks"?

Nor would anyone, including Hugh Wirth, be even slightly worried about your threats, I suspect (and the "WSPA" pun is getting awfully tired, don't you think?). Please explain to us - if your relationship with RSPCA Queensland is all you claim it to be, why is it that RSPCA National is doing its own thing? And they're not actually doing it behind PALE's back, from what you have said, they have told you their plans - and they simply do not include - or, apparently, need PALE. Could it be that PALE's plans went nowhere, and that is why this is happening? And may they be more successful than PALE!

And YOU STILL HAVE NOT EXPLAINED THE PAYPAL DONATE NOW LINK AND WHERE MONET DONATED THROUGH IT HAS GONE. Is PALE an incorporated organization, lawfully permitted to raise funds like that?

Nicky

Nicky, don't you worry, I took it up with the Govt lol. But they
sent me to the Productivity Commission to make a submission.

The thing is, none of these pencil pushers want to make a decision,
in case its not a good one and could affect their career. So they
do nothing, just pass the parcel on.

If they want farmers to use various products, including eye
ointments for pinkeye etc, make it the same as we do for bullets.
Then we can sign for these things, even be accredited etc, but
then its straightforward, not the present joke.

Under the present joke, far less gets used then would be, if
there was just an ounce of common sense in this whole story.

Hi Yabby

Don;t you guys pay subscriptions to organizations like the PGA and NFF? I would think that they would have more "clout" than individual farmers. But the classification of the substance depends on what's in it, of course. Without any knowledge of pharmacology, I wouldn't have thought that something that is a prophylactic treatment would need to be S4 or even S3, but there may be something toxic in it. Or, you may be right, it may be just a money-spinner for government department/s and/or vets.

But if your member organizations can't do it (perish the thought) have you thought of approaching some of the animal welfare groups? I think you would get a sympathetic hearing from Animal Liberation NSW, for one, and most likely Animals Australia and even more likely the RSPCA.
Just a thought. If the argument comes from as many sides as possible someone somewhere would have to listen.

Nicky

Hi all

Isn't it interesting that PALE's "lawyers" have instructed them not to respond to me. Could it have to do with not being prepared to answer my questions, perhaps? Especially about where the PayPal donated money has gone, and whether PALE is an incorporated organization legally permitted to raise funds from the public.

Or is it just the usual dramatics?

Nicky

Pale would like to invite Ingred of PETA and Glenyse of Animals Australia Dr Hugh Wirth and possible Jenny Hodges or Heather of RSPCA to debate on Aninmal Welfare in this thread.
Thank You

In The Mean Time- Pales Member Lawyers instructed us not to repond to the extremist person defaming our organisation "a long time ago."
We know this person to be mentally unstable.

An Investigation into the way in which Animal Welfare groups operate world wide has thown some interesting questions into the ring. There are more questions than answers.
Its also noted that Nicky bashes out the PETA drums 24 hours and lies about whom she is. She Cant put her name to her comments like us. Shes TOTALLY dishonest IMOP.

For far too long In Australia Animal Welfare Organisations has gone unchecked and largely left to run itself.

It is very difficult while basically agreeing on many issues to object to bully mentality of some.
These self appointed people who have grown up like cells are destroyong the only chance these animals have for improvements to be made.
They protest people eating meat or having clotes made from skins including shoes..


They totally OPPOSE our projects to reopen abattoitrs in Australia to faze out live exports . But Hang on, Do they really.

Then why did they try to deal with AFIC and Ikabel at the same time having a record of knocking back dozems of invitations to meet with them under the Animal Welfare MOU.

Well all I can say they have gone and done it this time- BUSTED. Didnt turn out too well did it.

I mean you have got to understand the lawyers outrage . Working all day in their offices then burning the mid night oil at times to 2am to work on the pale projects with AFIC.

You might say they have taken a personal interest in this discusting move by these equally discusting dishonerable people.

People should be in NO doubt the SH has hit the fan Many people will be exposed .
Again One Word BUSTED

PALE, you become more and more of an illogical, irrational joke with each post. While threatening the world at large with legal action, you make all sorts of libellous (and actionable) comments about anyone and everyone. I've actually copied and pasted some of your better efforts and sent them to the people concerned. RSPCA Queensland (since you claim to be doing this in their name)and RSPCA National might be interested in some of this rubbish too.

And STILL you refuse to answer the questions asked. Perhaps the answers might need to come from the Department of Consumer Affairs in Queensland, but I don't know whether I can be bothered, given the trivia you hit us with with varying degrees of lucidity (but none of it particularly so). As for expecting these people to debate with you "on this thread" they would first have to know about it, you clown. And I would suggest that they have far better things to do than engage in your incoherent rambles.

As for "animal health issues" you claim to have raised, you substantiated nothing yet expected me and others to take them up. Get real. If you want things taken up, get the necessary PROOF and take them up yourself.

If you don't like it, tell your "team of lawyers" to go knock themselves out. Nothing you say you have done with "AFIC leaders" has achieved anything, the most gracious thing you can do is let those who know what they're doing and can communicate in reasonable, professional English to do it properly.

Nicky