Hi all

Yabby, that's pretty much enough to rest my case with, I think. You have explained to everyone just what you people are really like.

If there are 10,000 sheep per "one labour unit" don;t even trey to tell us that they "treat sheep that are sick" - that's probably why so many are reported to be dying in paddocks. And I have already critiqued Morse's stories enough without requiring any further clarification. Any reader with half a brain will see them for the paid stories that they are.

Nicky

*Any reader with half a brain will see them for the paid stories that they are.*

Nicky, so you claim. Morse was in fact one of the best journalists
that the Countryman has employed. He wrote what he saw, I read his
articles over a long period of time. Now, as you can show no evidence
of any "fairytales", you try to shoot the messenger, as he has
not written what suits your dogma and agenda.

I remind you that when 10'000 healthy sheep are loaded on a boat,
99% do just fine, fed and watered largely automatically. That
leaves 100 sheep to be treated over a 12 day trip, that is 8 per
day, or an hour each, over an 8 hour day. Sounds like a stressfull
job to you? Fact is, you are trying to discuss a topic about
which you know nothing and have no experience.

What we do know is your agenda.

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/downloads/reference/docs/040817_petakids.pdf

Clearly the organisation which you support with such enthusiasm,
is basically a vegan cult, who it turns out, is now traumatising
children as part of their agenda. Shame on you

Thank you for that link Yabby

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/downloads/reference/docs/040817_petakids.pdf

You may have to enlighten me as to who these "consumerfreedom" people are and why they have gone to so much trouble to dedicate an entire URL to animal rights' organisation, PETA.

I was unable to find an "About", "Home" or any other button to push, except for a Washington address on the last page. Could these people be the livestock industry promoting the industrial production of animals?

Do you know if they have also dedicated other URLs to the myriad of organisations around the world promoting kindness to animals and/or vegetarianism? My, they will be busy:

http://www.powerfulbook.com/support.html

http://www.highnorth.no/Library/Hunts/Makah/op-le-to.htm

http://www.arkonline.com/animal_welfare_orgs.html

So why the name "consumerfreedom?" Of course we are free to consume what we wish despite the expenditure of Australian taxpayers' money to employ celebrities to coerce little kiddies to eat the industry's product and the millions being spent overseas to promote the cruel, live export industry.

Of course they don't tell the real story to the little kiddies, do they? You know Yabby, the farm to plate story? And what about the 414,000 poor little animals overboard?

No I'm sorry Yabby. I truly believe you are yesterday's man and your argument is medieval, obsolete and terribly flawed. Good citizens are now much better informed from reading articles by good authors who have revealed the heinous truth about man's inhumanity to farmed animals.

And how delighted was I to learn that the Christian and non-Christian churches are now speaking out on the atrocities committed on livestock in your industry.

Nov. 11, 2007: "On Wednesday, clergy from 20 faith traditions -- including Hindu, Jewish, Muslim, Pentecostal and Roman Catholic -- will sign a statement declaring a moral duty to treat animals with respect. At a ceremony in Washington, they will call on all people of faith to stop wearing fur, reduce meat consumption, and buy only from farms with humane practices."

You see Yabby? Despite your hatred of the religious, there is a compassionate God after all. Hallelujah - praise the Lord!

Dickie dear, as another Peta supporter, I am not surprised that
you are trying to shoot the messenger. Frankly I don't give a hoot
who collected the information, what matters is, if it is accurate or
not.

I notice that you have made no attempt to deny any of it.

If Peta are going around, telling children that mommy and daddy are
killers, then firstly, the information is untrue, secondly that
would clearly be rather traumatic for children to digest and
perhaps leave some psychological scars on those children.

Now if you support those kinds of tactics, in the name of your crusade,
then you are as guilty of child abuse, as are Peta.

Dear Yabby

Reputable authors publish citations, links etc to substantiate their claims. Your link is the weakest I've ever witnessed - masked in anonymity, lacking supporting evidence, yet venting a brutal attack on one organisation.

"If Peta are going around, telling children that mommy and daddy are
killers, then firstly, the information is untrue, secondly that
would clearly be rather traumatic for children to digest and
perhaps leave some psychological scars on those children."

The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks and how melodramatic of you my dear Yabby.

Psychological scars eh? And how traumatised would the little children be if they witnessed the truth in an unregulated industry which brutalises Australian animals?:

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:sz0e41mclaMJ:sweetness-light.com/archive/the-eid-festival-around-the-world-graphic-photos+animal+torture+muslim+festivals&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au&lr=lang_en

You are concealing the stark realities of industrial farming and together with an unethical cabal and aligned governments, continue to dupe the public.

The unregulated, Australian livestock industry has been particularly proficient at suppressing information which consumers are entitled to.

The Emanuel live exporters were found guilty, in a court of law, of animal cruelty yet the collusive and fraudulent WA government took measures to ensure justice would not be served. Furthermore, the Federal government, which had an ethical obligation to correct that injustice, maintained their silence. As a reward for brutality, Mr Rudd permitted the resumption of live exports to the land of the barbarians - Egypt.

My dear Yabby. Your industry is thoroughly despicable, unregulated and the existing laws are unenforceable.

So enough of your chatter - off you go now.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/exposed-the-long-cruel-road-to-the-slaughterhouse-781364.html

.* Your link is the weakest I've ever witnessed *

Well then see for yourself:

http://www.furisdead.com/feat-momfur.asp

and

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36208

If you Dickie, think its ok to tell children that their parents
are killers and don't see the problem, then you are way further
sucked in by your new "religion", then even I had imagined.

I wonder how you would have reacted, if grown ups had told your
kids that you were a killer, even if it was not true.

Child psychologists clearly don't agree with you and nor do
any kind of rational people.

Your vegan cult is a rather sick and fanatical cult