I'm not going to go into the details of what Wendy posted because it would perpetuate her breach of forum rules. But she did breach the rules and she is paying the same penalty as anyone else would. She did join PALE up to The National Forum, but that doesn't give her licence to break the rules.

I might comment on the misconception that somehow posters can avoid other posters commenting on their posts. This is an open forum. As long as posters operate within the bounds of robust debate and the law they are free to post on whatever they choose. If you don't want someone to comment on your post, then you shouldn't post. Of course, there is nothing to force you to respond to another poster, and I'd suggest that is the best way of avoiding having a discussion with them.

The allegations that people are ill and meetings have been cancelled and organisations have been defunded would probably have been best not to have been made. There is no way of checking on their validity, and they tend to reflect on the integrity of other people. I'm reluctantly going to allow them to stand at the moment, but I'm open to submissions.

I'd also suggest that this thread, and any others, should concentrate on issues, not individuals.

Girls, I think you should start another thread if you want to talk about wildlife and bushfires. (go back to the top and read the subject for this thread)
If you are wanting a private conversation, try email or a yahoo group. You are on a PUBLIC opinion forum here. Like or not, others have different opinions to yours.

Antje – For goodness sake! Mother nature has her own box of matches! Spontaneous combustion, LIGHTENING! Do you know that if you venture outside the city limits, you wont fall off the edge?

I think you have mistaken this one for the Steve Erwin thread.

Heres something that will cheer you all up! You will be happy to know that I wont be posting here for a while – unless of course my favourite ‘taboo’ subject is revisited! Things to do.

Antje
Thank you for your story on about your experiences with Kangaroos Especially the Snowy story. Wow I didnt know that they formed a family unit. I guess when you think about it why not. Your comment about Steve was touching and certainly Steve was for all animals not just wildlife. Everybody knows that.

I am glady you have taken over the forum again and looking forward to getting back on track to learn the difference between Free Range and Laws and Codes.

I just can not believe that Amanda Vanstones place was legal or is legal.
That must be what you were saying earlier about lack of powers and a need for new codes.
Wow how can something so cruel be legal I understand too when you all say its not the fault of the RSPCA.

After all I guess they can only work with the laws they are given.

Bet some of those inspectors have to keep their mouth shut at times.

Would be a hard job. Antje do you see a chance to get these news laws so at least animals can walk around?

It makes me so upset. I am still reading a learning from the info you send me but I get So cross when i see them locked away.

Robert you seem to be a thinker and I know some where before somebody posted about the fence problems that you raised.

I am going to try to find it and put up whats relevant to your question. I think its terrible the stock routes were taken from the farmers where to cattle used to graze free.

Taryn congratulations!


You informations correct actually. I do not wish my personal integrety challenged.
I have been requested to take over this forum. I excepted. I do hope I am given a fair go this time please everybody. I am Always interested to learn more and exchange sensible ideas.
The first thing I need to cover however is that animals are animals be it wild life or whatever. There is already a forum operating in regards to Steve Irwin. Perhaps another time I will post on that about Steve.

I am working on getting the Free Range Farmers guide out as soon as [possible. I am doing this personally.
I have some great pictures of Free Range Farms that are not advertised on the net.
The best way to explain to the public about codes of practise that we animal welfare people speak in terms of is to show you pictures of what is quite legal under Australian Law.

It is very important that a kneee jerk reaction does not swing into gear here.
Many people become so upset that they do not stop to think how, this can be allowed.?
Amada Vanstones picture appreaded everywhere in the news as you know about her shares in a cruel piggery.

Yes but the thing is its quite legal.

I am going to show you some pictures by links, of legal and nice and you be the judge.

Remember I warned you however do not Blame the RSPCA for the Government lack of Animal Welfare laws in this country.

Please support them and every other group who fight to improve animal welfare.

I think its wrong to tell people not to eat meat. However we all support the basic principle that cruelty is cruelty legal or not.
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I will try to get pictures up soon on the better places that do not keep their pigs in cages.
The pictures I have are from farmers who does not advertise.
Real Farmers who are doing the right

In the mean time please see whats is legal
http://savebabe.com/Photos.html

Hey Alchemist

You advise to "get rid of the feral animals". I sense that you are concerned mainly with the conservation and plight of native animals.

I believe you should have advised to "get rid of the humans" who dump animals in our bush, such as dogs and cats. In my vicinity, we have a plague of wild dogs mating with the dingo. These hapless wild dogs are baited with a hideously cruel poison by CALM. The more they bait, the more CALM brags!

Dare I say it but we have a fairly large indigenous population in my neck of the woods who neglect their dogs. There is no law enforcing sterilisation and this is part of the problem also, with dogs turning feral. In addition, I know of no programme to educate these people to take responsibility for their animals - no doubt that would not be politically correct! Having said that, sterilisation of domestic animals should be a national mandatory edict!

I also know farmers who fail to feed or sterilise their cats. Their litters are dumped in the bush to also become feral. To the outward eye, these pastoralists appear affluent and civilised!

I have never sought or bought an animal, however, nor have I been without an animal. My animals are all refugees, ill-treated by previous owners. My current dog was tied to a post for four days whilst its owner went on holidays. No food, water or shelter was provided with temperatures up to 42 degrees.

So I have endeavoured to do my bit for the hapless, "lesser" species, despite the enemies I have made in my attempts.

So while we need to lobby strongly against the ill-treatment of "commercial" animals and our obsession to gorge on animal flesh, we can all be a little more vigilant in a parochial sense. I have a minister of religion as a neighbour - he too has "received" advice from me as to how his animals should be treated and luckily for me, advice taken!

Look around you - these indifferent and neglectful humans are not far away

Dickie

Welcome

May I say its refreshing to hear from a person who tells it like it is!.
We tried to address this problem some time ago. I travelled up to Brisbane to attend a meeting animal group that were doing "legal research"? into this very problem.

So the President of PALE I was with at the time said ok great now lets look at getting past research.

Appparently there is a loop hole in the law that DPI officers who mainly frequent these areas are not allowed to distribute worming medications etc to these peoples dogs.
As a result of great neglect quite often the young children play with these animals and become sick. . They also go wild and are neglected and do damage.
So Wendy who was the president suggested that we might request through the great RSPCA CEO if we could look at RSPCA QLD aboriginal officers .

It made sense to me. This CEO is as person who looks at special progects and actually gets things done for the animals.[ Hard To Find].

Anyway Dickie there was terrible trouble. To this day not one person from that group we purposley joined has returned calls.

Suddenly nobody cared about these animals.

"Apparently" The Funding was "only being given for legal re search "of uni students .

Every now and then in life, if are 'lucky' you meet somebody who has a special effect on you.

Dickie I think you are one of these rare people . You would be very welcome to make a comment on our other topic heading. Church Leaders Turn Their Backs on Animal Welfare.

Some of the reasons and exuses given as to why the ministers and leaders should do nothing! and say nothing, about animal cruelty will as Wendy used to say rot your socks!

Your Neighour is richer for having you.

Dickie I will post the link up for you for>
Churches Turn Their Backs On Animal Welfare.

I hope to see you there