Free ranger
Thanks For That. Let Us Know What We can do to help.
We have some interest in Free Range poultry cattle Sheep With view to building new abattoirs where neccessary as you see above.

All we require is some of these other farmers to take some reasonsibilty for Animal Welfare like you.

[speaking of kick backs]

We appreciate all you do and the way in which you do it.
People might like to hear of some of the diseases that run through the battery hens sheds and the drugs pumped into them
Would you like to tell them for us .?

We need to stop people from thinking ALL animal Welfare groups are extream and against people eating eggs meat etc.
Thats where the real misinformation comes from. I enjoy nothing better than a steak and eggs but I also like to know from padock to plate its been done kindly as you do your eggs Free Ranger.

Big interest in Poultry Free Range farms From that Company In china.

I will give you a call

All vetman was saying was the truth, i dont see how you can get on your high horses about it maybe you need to open your eyes.
I dont believe he should be deleted for saying exactly how it is.
Wake up people !
U think that was racist? U heard what the have to say about australians?
They hold us as the lowest form of human imagine how they feel about our animals.

To paraphrase John F Kennedy:

ASK NOT WHAT ANIMALS CAN DO FOR YOU, ASK WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR ANIMALS.

As Wendy stated above:

"Start focusing what you CAN do."

When I started this thread I wasn't really quite sure what I could do, just simply that I needed to do something. Now I have a plan.

A submission to GetUp.org.

The creation of a small trader network (hoping Wendy can spare some webspace or help on this).

Obtaining an email list of religious organisations (googled catholic church - so many separate organisations, didn't know where to start).

Further goals:

When a reasonably comprehensive list of traders has been obtained, introducing them to the Muslim organisations who are (as Wendy knows) interested in setting up processing systems. Couldn't be better timing than right now - we need ways to learn to get along with each other and this is a great start.

Gaining support of supermarkets - as stated some provide carparks for Farmers Markets - there is nothing like creating some positive 'spin' for themselves, people who go to Farmers Markets in supermarket carparks will inevitably go into supermarket and shop. This is called WIN/WIN.

This world needs more WIN/WIN - say yes to positive support and ignore all the rest. Paying attention to negativity only gives it power - so do not engage, simply continue seeking your goals.

BennySampson, did you read vetmans post?

If so are you also supporting wholesale violence against muslim women? Are you OK with the kind of generalised insult he leveled at all muslim women?

I've seen some of the trash Kaiser Trad and others have said about australian's with anglo origins. I've not seen any muslim on this site advocating wholesale violence against non muslims or generalised insults by muslims against the non-muslim community. I'd be equally quick to ask for deletion if I saw that from a muslim on this site.

Yes some muslims behave in a disgusting manner in other places, see Bashir Goth's article on Islamists in Somalia for a muslim take on part of this.

The kind of post that was deleted took the liberty of the concept of freedmon of speech without the responsibility that goes with it. It is the kind of material that if used outside the context of this site could result in further restrictions in our freedom of speech.

Part of me would have liked to see the post remain on the site to see if our resident mossie bashers had the basic decency to condem it, I suspect that some like BD would do so but am uncertain about others.

I'm generally opposed to censorship however involvement in this site is is subject to an acceptable use policy which was breached by that post.

R0bert

Wendy, I know you mean well, but to put it bluntly, your model
is totally unworkable in a realistic sense. You simply have not
thought through the logistics and administration of your proposal.

Exporting involves lots of paperwork, also annual fees etc. Now
if 11'000 farmers had to go through the whole process, every
single time they decided to send 100-200 sheep to market,
you would need an army just filling in a myriad of forms.
Then there is the issue of various cuts going to different
markets. More and more forms! For what?

There is a coop here called Wammco, who have 1000 farmer members.
They do the thing en-bloc, with one set of paperwork, rather
then thousands. Anyone, including any of your alleged buyers,
is free to buy mutton from them. Profits are passed back to
shareholders.

Fact is that with present markets, even mutton going down that
chain is worth about the same as fertiliser. If you have better
paying markets, feel free to buy from them.

Come up with models which don't force WA farmers to forgo
100 million$ a year of income.

The live trade is overwhelmingly supported by WA farmers,
because it provides them with a living, as opposed to robbing
them. As Cameron Morse has shown, things are changing and
have changed, they will continue to change and improve.

If you really cared about animals, you would have thought about
the proposal I put to change things in the Middle East and
improve things for animals, even their animals there. But
as that does not fit into the present agenda, its fobbed off.

So the live trade will continue. Nobody has put up a better,
viable option, or how it will be funded. When they do, I am
sure WA farmers will take notice.

Robert
yes I did and he was saying he didnt want to learn a culture where women and animals are treated so badly. I do agree he went a little off track however it still is his opinion and should not have been deleted.