*Having worked extensively as a Director, I can assure you that you can make an Annual Report say anything you want it to say*

Wow Nicky, so honesty apparently did not matter to you, when you
were a director? Were the auditors dodgy too?

MLAs figures are audited, perhaps next you will accuse them of
being corrupt, as you did with the WA Govt. Everyone of course is
wrong except Nicky!

Dickie, the MLA annual report is sent out to 45'000 members in hard
copy. If people want to critisize MLA and how it spends its money,
before they go and waste the staff's time, the least they could
do is inform themselves.

I have no idea if their annual reports are online. Unlike you,
I have various sources of information, other then your google bar.

Informed critics, they are fine. Loudmouthed ignoramuses just
waste everyone's time. What we are managing to show is that
when it comes to accurate facts, the animal libber lobby just
don't let those interefere with their stories.

Nicky only back to say you have never said anything to offend me.
Rarely do we agree but I do not think free debate is possible here with some insults?
Well its two way here but all of us together need to remember our views are not the only ones.
Still hold the view live exports will be with us forever and is not evil.
Enjoy the thread might start one on mulising sheep!

"Touche" Nicky

And wouldn't one love to inspect the simple chart of accounts, the trade creditors and debtors files etc which are the fundamentals for the financials? This is where the naked truth lies.

Our federal government appears impressed with MLA's performance and have kindly donated some $37 million of taxpayers money for the current year.

"Loudmouthed ignoramuses just waste everyone's time."

The only accurate claim the Mouth has ever submitted. For those who fudge figures, I remind them that animal mortalities at sea have cost this arid nation dearly - particularly Western Australia, the largest of the live exporters and home to the Mouth.

Vegetation cover, which provides a protective layer for land, decreased in 64% of monitored bioregions in WA's South West between 1996 and 2004. Vegetation cover decreased in 22% of monitored bioregions in the rangelands over the last decade.

The S/W of WA is now officially listed as one of the world's environmental hotspots.

Yet this consortium of greed have grown over 2 million "fit" and "healthy" animals which were then dumped overboard to a watery grave.

Does this figure include the 67,488 sheep which were abandoned on the ship Uniceb - where these sheep burnt to death, no doubt writhing in agony on a vessel which took eight days to sink?

Two million animals have vastly contributed to the depletion of our water resources, land encroachments, soil degradation and energy resources including transport before being tipped into the sea.

These animals, which have suffered great stress, have contributed significantly to an increase in greenhouse gases and the unrestrained pollution from pharmaceuticals, chemicals and pesticides which the industry used to make them "fit" and "healthy" for drowning.

This industry, after being exposed for violating defenceless animals, now spruik about their endeavours towards animal welfare. However, included in the MLA's A/R site , is a large brag about the "successful" outcome for Emanuel Exports who were found guilty of animal cruelty but not prosecuted.

This consortium foolishly believes that this case is now au fait accompli - a win for the sadists.

Dream on my "loudmouthed ignoramuses".........

MLA Structure-the worst of both worlds.=

http://www.austbeef.com.au/Content.asp?regID=15403&id=41613

ABA Goals 2000
1) MLA to be made into a genuine producer company with a regionally elected board, and a full database of levy payers.

2) Identify cow beef with 'truth in labelling' legislation.

4) Meat inspection costs returned to government, as is the case with our overseas competitors.

In return for this large handout of industry money, CCA is bound to produce a business plan, to account to government and the levy payers for the use of the money. As at 23/2/2000, they had not done so.

Meat and Livestock Australia which replaced the Australian Meat and Livestock Corporation by the then Minister John Anderson restructure has left an unworkable, costly mess. An undemocratic, compulsory funded ($100 million) corporate structure that has far less accountability than the old AMLC.
Only 10,000 of 180,000 meat levy payers are 'members of the company'. It has policy decided by RMAC-representing less than 15% of levy payers.

"THE COMPANY IS UNIQUE IN HAVING NO IDEA WHO ITS STAKE HOLDERS ARE."

The initial Board of MLA were selected on political and geographic grounds in a closed shop manner by a Peak Council based selection committee, 8 of the 10 appointees are producers, 4 are former Peak Council associates.

This made a mockery of 'selection for skills'.
Future Boards to be selected by a panel of 9 - 3 appointed by the board itself, 3 by peak councils and 3 are elected by producers at an AGM. Few would regard the process as anything but a sham.

At the first meeting of levy payers since 1997(held at Albury in Nov 1999) ABA had organised some 150 MLA members' to move for the abolition of the power of veto.

This veto allows for each Peak council to have over a 75% vote of members necessary to alter the MLA constitution.

ABA and allies scored 52% of the vote. An easily organised ALFA vote (one member alone had 250,000 votes) was against us.

Cattle Council and ALFA announced that they would use the veto if we got 75%.



TBC

Continued-

ABA will continue to fight for an elected Board for MLA, a removal of the veto power which is an insult to the intelligence of all producers and the right for every producer to have an automatic vote in line with his stock numbers.



ABA maintains that elected board members are there to protect producers' levy money from the sharks that have fed on $1.4 billion of it since 1984 with little return.

Talk of selecting on expertise is hypocritical in view of the present board and the past incompetence. Expertise is something that is called on when necessary-commonsense is the quality we look for.

MSA currently accounts for less than 1% of Australian production as supermarkets and large abattoirs fail to take up the highly complicated system, despite the huge money spent on promoting it. ABA continues to advise MLA with little response.
END

Looks like Nothings Changed A copy only part of FYI= Reply From MLA

Dear Wendy,



Thanks for your email and your interest in our ambassador program. It is a program we are very proud of, and I must confirm that contrary to your comment, the young members of our industry are not - and have not - been used to disrespect the RSPCA.



Your letter stems from a commercial interest and a desire for development grants. The Livestock Export Program is an MLA and LiveCorp joint program which focuses on improving animal welfare, market access and industry capability within the livestock export industry.

I suggest you contact your industry or related groups to find out if any grants or development programs exists for the halal or red meat industries.



Regarding your demands for full disclosure of expenditure ...
This budget – which is tiny compared to that of animal activists groups - has contributed to enabling us to launch the program, and the time of those involved has been volunteered.

END

We also spoke with Michael Finucan <mfinucan@mla.com.au> today requesting email contacts for the six ambassitors - even one.

MLA refuse to supply public with contact details to ask questions!

hilarious. Nothing has changed.

Hi all
Dear me, Yabby, you do jump to conclusions. Just because I have worked as a Director and know that certain things are done does not mean I indulge in such behaviours myself - that is the difference between people like me and people like you; it's called ethical standards.

Dickie, you are absolutely right as always.

PALE, it will be interesting to see if you get any sense out of Annabelle Coppin; if you even have a whiff of animal welfare about you I suspect that you won't. As for the MLA idiot, does she seriously believe that animal welfare groups have MONEY? Another one who believes bizarre propaganda, but I don't think you were ever going to get the facts from her. And you certainly won't from Yabby because he doesn't know them; he just believes all he reads from MLA and LiveCorp because it assuages his conscience.

Animal Liberation (NSW) has just released film footage of a Victorian slaghterhouse, and it proves Yabby right about one thing - Australians can be just as bad as the butchers of the Middle East. There is ample and extended footage of electric prods being rammed up the anuses of sheep who have nowhere to move to, and at one point, a distressed, struggling sheep is left in a stun box over the killing floor while the workers all bugger off to lunch for 30 minutes. It is senseless, gross animal abuse. Yabby probably rhinks that all that is just fine. And who cares? They're only sheep, aren't they?.

Cheers
Nicky

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT60wBShF68